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EADS受促卖掉不被看好的阵风生产商!(EADS同时也持有台风生产商)

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发表于 27-8-2013 01:30 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
EADS拥有幻象战机和阵风战机生产商Dassualt的价值40亿欧元股权,也拥有台风战机生产商Eurofighter GmbH的数十亿欧元股权。
随着各国老旧的幻象战机停飞,阵风出口签不到合同,Dassualt就快没有spare parts/maintenance的生意。
基金经理明显不看好Rafale能够像旧款幻象战机那样出口大卖。
另一方面,EADS拥有台风母公司的股权。
台风战机近来出口大卖。先签下Oman,再与UAE,BAHRAIN lock-in-talk。
先前承诺出钱升级台风战机的沙特,年底会再交新机。
此消彼涨,EADS因此被股东TCI基金要求卖掉Dassualt!
生意人向来最敏感,法国本身减购阵风,已经判了阵风战机和其生产商Dassualt的命运!
面对如此风险,马来西亚还敢买阵风吗?


Monday Aug 5

EADS Urged by TCI Fund to Sell 46% Dassault Aviation Stake

Full story: The Washington Post
European Aeronautics, Defence & Space Co. should sell its holding in Dassault Aviation SA, maker of the Rafale combat jet, because the stake valued at about 4 billion euros is a poor investment, the TCI fund said.

http://www.topix.com/aircraft/dassault/2013/08/eads-urged-by-tci-fund-to-sell-46-dassault-aviation-stake
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 楼主| 发表于 3-9-2013 06:11 PM | 显示全部楼层
阵风desperate到连俄国的航展都出现呢!



法国阵风首次参展莫斯科抢风头

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cyberjaye 发表于 3-9-2013 06:11 PM
阵风desperate到连俄国的航展都出现呢!   

不可以這麼說,純屬禮尚往來……畢竟俄系戰機也是法國巴黎航空展的常客,甚至還曾在表演時大方的把戰機摔在人家的地方呢!
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 楼主| 发表于 3-9-2013 10:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 3-9-2013 06:56 PM
不可以這麼說,純屬禮尚往來……畢竟俄系戰機也是法國巴黎航空展的常客,甚至還曾在表演時大方的把戰機摔 ...

俄国战机出现在欧洲不稀奇.
可是阵风那么多年来不曾在俄国打广告表演.
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 楼主| 发表于 16-9-2013 12:29 AM | 显示全部楼层

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 楼主| 发表于 5-10-2013 05:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 3-9-2013 06:56 PM
不可以這麼說,純屬禮尚往來……畢竟俄系戰機也是法國巴黎航空展的常客,甚至還曾在表演時大方的把戰機摔 ...

法国阵风真的当黑!
印度要买阵风的国防部高官死了。。。
换了人要了解整个采购要时间,越拖就会生出更多的变数!




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 楼主| 发表于 8-10-2013 12:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
明年三月过后才谈要不要签阵风。。。


'Setbacks' push Indian Rafale contract beyond FY13Rahul Bedi, Delhi -

IHS Jane's Defence Weekly 03 October 2013

India is unlikely to sign the deal for 126 Dassault Rafale fighters within Fiscal Year 2013 (FY13) - which ends in March 2014 - as the contract recently suffered "major setbacks", Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne said in New Delhi on 4 October.
Addressing a press conference ahead of the 81st anniversary of the Indian Air Force (IAF) on 8 October, ACM Browne said the sudden death on 2 October of Arun Kumar Bal, the Ministry of Defence official negotiating the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) purchase, would doubtlessly delay the deal.
Appointing Bal's successor and familiarising that appointee with the complexities of the MMRCA contract could take up to four months if not longer, ACM Browne admitted.


http://www.janes.com/article/27965/setbacks-push-indian-rafale-contract-beyond-fy13



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发表于 10-10-2013 07:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
法国以后应该跟俄罗斯联合研发武器,整天跟PIGS混在一起早晚把自己也变成pig
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发表于 30-10-2013 07:11 PM | 显示全部楼层
每次都买要停产的武器
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 楼主| 发表于 6-11-2013 01:09 AM | 显示全部楼层
台风T3快要首飞了


Typhoon T3 has just completed engine ground runs


We have hosted the Chairman of SME Corporation Malaysia and four Malaysian SMEs to our Samlesbury and Warton sites in the north-west of England. Samlesbury is our world-class manufacturing facility where we manufacture components for Typhoon and Warton is home to the Typhoon final assembly facility.



Eurofighter Typhoon's New AESA Radar Starts System Integration

The new AESA radar for the Eurofighter Typhoon is entering the system integration phase. During a four-national programme review at Cassidian’s Ulm site the test and integration results of the CAPTOR-E Antenna subsystem were successfully presented to the representatives of the four Eurofighter core nations UK, Italy, Spain, and Germany.

“The test results achieved during the campaign were fully in line with the theoretical design and comply with the internationally agreed system specification by the four nations. The achieved results demonstrate the state-of-the-art performance and the high production standard of the Captor-E AESA antenna, the repositioner and the corresponding antenna power supply and control unit.” Cassidian said.

With the Captor-E radar system, the radar beam comes from several thousands, small transmit and receive modules instead of a central emitter, enhancing versatility while helping conceal the originating location of the beam.

In a next step, the antenna sub-system will go to Selex Edinburgh for integration and test with receiver and processor. Final integration of the CAPTOR-E radar into the industrial production aircraft (IPA5) is planned in springtime 2014.

The radar as a whole is being developed by the Euroradar consortium comprising Cassidian, Selex ES (UK and Italy), and Indra (Spain). The consortium already has developed and produced more than 400 mechanically scanning CAPTOR radars.



New active electronic scanned array radar for Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft is entering the system integration phase of development according to Cassidian.







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 楼主| 发表于 29-11-2013 09:58 PM | 显示全部楼层
有了STORM SHADOW,对地能力又加强了!


Adding to Typhoon’s swing-role capabilities

The Storm Shadow, already in service with the Italian Air Force and Royal Air Force Tornados, is a conventionally armed, stealthy, long-range stand-off precision weapon designed to neutralise high value targets. The new weapons systems will add the capability to strike in day or night in all-weather conditions, well-defended infrastructure targets such as port facilities, control centres, bunkers, missile sites, airfields and bridges that would otherwise require several aircraft and missions. This is a new addition to the Eurofighter Typhoon’s potent simultaneous multi-/swing-role capabilities.

Powered by a turbo-jet engine, with a range in excess of 250 km, the Storm Shadow missile weighs approximately 1.300kg and is just over 5 metres long. It will be available to operators from 2015 when the Eurofighter Typhoon Phase 2 Enhancements become operational.

http://www.baesystems.com/article/BAES_163539/typhoon-flight-tests-with-storm-shadow-missile-started?_afrLoop=282637668719000&_afrWindowMode=0&_afrWindowId=null&baeSessionId=gLtzSYYYTDZy2G4W5pPN22h5vdFJpC6vvSDgkjjKhp1NnGPGpJJh!1108472502#%40%3F_afrWindowId%3Dnull%26baeSessionId%3DgLtzSYYYTDZy2G4W5pPN22h5vdFJpC6vvSDgkjjKhp1NnGPGpJJh%25211108472502%26_afrLoop%3D282637668719000%26_afrWindowMode%3D0%26_adf.ctrl-state%3D11q2muk82b_4


Eurofighter or F-15 for South Korea?


Boeing Advanced F-15

EADS Eurofighter Typhoon
By Kang Seung-woo

Korea’s decision to buy only 40 F-35 Lightning IIs leaves Boeing and the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company (EADS) in competition to win a follow-up contract for 20 more aircraft.

EADS, touting its combat-proven Eurofighter Typhoon, is trying to be the first non-U.S. fighter in the Korean Air Force on the back of its attractive offset offer.

Boeing is promoting the Advanced F-15 for the Korean program after dropping its F-15 Silent Eagle.

Through the third phase of the F-X, Korea plans to replace its F-4s and F-5s, both of which are at the end of their operational lives, with new advanced warplanes.

Aviation analyst say that a split-buy can make sense because there is still some uncertainty about the software development timeline of the Pentagon’s most expensive defense program ever.

“The split-buy is necessary for budgetary reasons, but I think it makes sense because we have yet to see an F-35 actually enter frontline service,” said James Hardy, Asia-Pacific editor of IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly.

“Given the Korean Air Force’s pending capability gap owing to the retirement of older types and the arrival of the F-35 in 2018, I feel the Eurofighter and F-15 are key contenders for the 20 aircraft requirement,” said Greg Waldron, Asia managing editor of FlightGlobal, an aviation and aerospace industry website.

According to the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), the first delivery of the F-35 is due in 2018 and the deployment of the additional 20 aircraft from 2023 is likely to be decided in 2017.

Lee Hee-woo, president of the ILS Research Institute, said that Korea should have picked 20 aircraft that are able to be deployed immediately ahead of choosing 40 stealth jets.

“If I were the Air Force, I would select 20 non-stealth fighters first because it is in urgent need to bridge its structure gap with the F-4s about to retire,” he said.

“In terms of serving as an immediate threat, the Eurofighter has a better chance to get the contract for 20 additional aircraft.”

Richard Aboulafia, vice president of Teal Group, said that the F-15 would be a better choice.

“Buying another batch of F-15s would be a good way of hedging against possible F-35 program delays and of helping to bridge Korea’s fighter gap as the F-4 fleet retires,” he said.

Korea intends to take advantage of technology transfer and other offset packages from the F-X III in order to develop its indigenous fighter jet, codenamed KF-X, and there is speculation that the U.S. government is likely to restrict Lockheed Martin from transferring technology, raising the possibility that technical assistance will determine who wins the split-buy.

EADS, which offered a “sweet deal” for the F-X III, said in a recent interview that it will support the KF-X project should it win the 20-aircraft contract.

“As the F-35 will be sold through the U.S. government’s foreign military sales (FMS) process, there are concerns that we will not be able to receive much of a technology transfer. So, Korea should also consider the F-X in tandem with the KF-X and the Eurofighter offers a better deal,” Lee said.

Waldron said: “Of the three contenders, the Eurofighter is likely to be the most open to technology transfer, but this must be weighed against the Typhoon’s lack of commonality with the rest of the Air Force fleet.”





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detectivebinbin 发表于 3-9-2013 06:56 PM
不可以這麼說,純屬禮尚往來……畢竟俄系戰機也是法國巴黎航空展的常客,甚至還曾在表演時大方的把戰機摔 ...


台风T3首飞
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Eurofighter delivers 400th TyphoonDec. 6, 2013

MANCHING, Germany, Dec. 6 (UPI) -- Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH says a milestone has been reached in its Typhoon fighter program -- delivery of the 400th production aircraft to Germany.
The delivery of the Typhoon to the German Air Force on Wednesday also coincided with the first flight of a Trance 3 Typhoon.


Read more: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2013/12/06/Eurofighter-delivers-400th-Typhoon/UPI-62691386354825/#ixzz2nAILE9i9

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 楼主| 发表于 18-12-2013 07:15 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 3-9-2013 06:56 PM
不可以這麼說,純屬禮尚往來……畢竟俄系戰機也是法國巴黎航空展的常客,甚至還曾在表演時大方的把戰機摔 ...

DASS 详解


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 楼主| 发表于 23-2-2014 04:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 3-9-2013 06:56 PM
不可以這麼說,純屬禮尚往來……畢竟俄系戰機也是法國巴黎航空展的常客,甚至還曾在表演時大方的把戰機摔 ...


一如我所料。
BAE跟着JAS139之后,下个月呈上租借的建议书。


BAE Systems says Malaysia seeking fighter jet leasing bids

LONDON Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:15pm IST



Feb 20 (Reuters) - BAE Systems expects to submit a leasing proposal for the Eurofighter Typhoon jet to Malaysia next month, as its cash-strapped government mulls over renting, rather than buying fighter aircraft.

"The Malaysian government is openly saying they have some issues on finance, and while they're ending subsidies and bringing in new value added tax, it's unlikely there's an appetite to buy Typhoon at this point," BAE's Group Business Development Director Alan Garwood told analysts on Thursday.

"What they have done is solicit leasing proposals from every major aerospace company. We will be submitting a leasing proposal next month for Typhoon together with a purchase option and expect to have further discussions later in the year or maybe even early next year around that," he said.

Last year Malaysia, which had wanted to buy 18 combat aircraft by 2015, said it was choosing between Boeing's F/A-18, Dassault's Rafale, Saab's Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon which is built by BAE, Airbus and Italy's Finmeccanica.

Industry sources said in March that the purchase could run into billions of dollars. Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak told Reuters in October the purchase might be delayed.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/bae-malaysia-idINWLB0079Z20140220




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 楼主| 发表于 23-2-2014 04:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
copasi 发表于 10-10-2013 07:36 PM
法国以后应该跟俄罗斯联合研发武器,整天跟PIGS混在一起早晚把自己也变成pig


EADS上次开价卖Typhoon给韩国,60架( 45单座,跟15双座,)才7万亿韩元或200亿马币。
这次租给RMAF的开价不知道会不会比买还贵。



韩国防卫事业厅方面虽然没有正式公开满足价格要求的企业,但经确认,波音公司和EADS提出的竞标价格在7万亿韩元左右,而生产F-35的洛克希德•马丁公司提出的价格为9万亿韩元。
http://www.chinanews.com/gj/2013/08-17/5173715.shtml
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 楼主| 发表于 8-3-2014 01:19 AM | 显示全部楼层
copasi 发表于 10-10-2013 07:36 PM
法国以后应该跟俄罗斯联合研发武器,整天跟PIGS混在一起早晚把自己也变成pig


意大利订购的台风T3今年会开始交货。
目前意大利空军有71架旧台风,台风T3的订货量是21架。
另外,波兰也有意思买台风或F35来更新SU-22。


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 楼主| 发表于 8-3-2014 01:40 AM | 显示全部楼层
CK6919 发表于 30-10-2013 07:11 PM
每次都买要停产的武器


放心,买的机会不大。
我军如果要租,目前暂时仅有台风和Jas139可选。



印度或放弃采购法国阵风 优先与俄合研5代机


据“俄罗斯之声”广播电台网站2月7日报道,正在新德里举行的“DEFEXPO-2014”印度国际防务展的主题虽然是陆军和海军武器装备,却无法避免讨论空军武器话题,特别是在印度媒体不久前开始批评最为雄心勃勃的俄印第5代战机联合研制项目的背景之下。

以俄罗斯T-50为基础的印度FGFA第5代战斗机研制项目现在遭到国内相当强烈的反对。参加印度国际防务展的俄联邦对外军事技术合作局副局长济尔卡恩在新德里举行的新闻发布会上指出,俄印联合研制第5代战斗机FGFA的项目工作正在按照先前批准的进度表继续进行,没有受到媒体批评运动的阻碍。不过,类似信息攻击的事实表明,在印度确实有相当多的人反对与俄罗斯在此领域进行合作。

问题的根源显而易见。印度空军的结构重点放在主要使用俄罗斯和法国制造的飞机之上,致使空军领导层中间至少出现了亲俄和亲法两大游说势力集团。亲法游说势力虽然在不久前取得成功,帮助法国战斗机“阵风”在印度空军MMRCA中型多用途战斗机采购招标中胜出,但是现在却面临资源缺乏的尴尬。“阵风”价格偏高,远远超出了印度批准的合同框架,加上印度经济实力不是特别强大,被迫寻找额外资金。在此条件下,与俄罗斯联合研制第五代战机的FGFA项目成为亲法游说势力攻击的靶子。

实际上,反对FGFA项目的合理论据并不多。受到批评的主要是飞机价格,因为FGFA的单价显然超过了1亿美元。但是,印度将要购买的“阵风”战斗机价格更贵,126架飞机接近200亿欧元。同时还不能忘记两者之间的代差,作为FGFA原型的俄罗斯T-50是第5代战斗机,于2010年1月首飞,而法国 “阵风”只是第4代战斗机,首飞时间是在23年半之前。另外,如果说“阵风”还能找到战术技术性能类似的其他战机予以替代的话,那么从可替代性的角度来看,FGFA项目是独一无二的,因为其他任何国家都不会向印度提供第五代重型战斗机。

鉴于目前的局势,印度空军内部“抢钱大战”仍将继续,不太可能会迅速结束。一些专家认为,印度完全可能放弃“阵风”战斗机,废除MMRCA招标结果,重新分配资金,并向其他项目倾斜,包括FGFA项目。

实际上,第5代战机并不是俄印航空制造商唯一的联合研发项目。双方还对以俄罗斯伊尔-214为基础的MTA中型多用途运输机联合研制项目寄予厚望。俄印早在2007年就已签订联合研发和制造MTA多用途运输机的政府间协议。随后几年,双方商定成立合资企业,各持50%的股份,总部设在新德里。飞机生产线既在俄罗斯,也在印度展开。计划总共生产205架,其中30%可以出口到第三国。如果一切按计划进行,那么MTA将在2016-2018年首飞。俄罗斯伊柳辛公司总设计师利瓦诺夫表示,俄国防部建议订购100架该型飞机,印度准备采购 45架。这个订货量将使飞机生产达到盈亏平衡水平。加上民用航空运输需求,MTA运输机在世界市场的总潜力估计为390架。

2014年2月MTA项目合作应当迎来另外一个重要阶段:提交飞机项目文件。首飞日期虽然暂时没有明确指出,但是很有可能会在2017年。这种新型多用途运输机载重量12-20吨,能够填补俄空军安-12飞机退役后形成的空白。

MTA项目的实现同样遇到不少问题,包括研发工作停滞将近7年(2001-2008)。但是该型多用途运输机的研发成功,无论是对俄罗斯空军,还是印度空军,都至关重要。俄印两国都有大量偏远军事设施,需要通过空运保障供给,在此情况下总是使用伊尔-76大型军用运输机显然并不现实,也不合适。

FGFA和MTA项目的实现,既能使印度空军得到先进航空装备,发展现代化的航空工业,也能使俄罗斯利用合作伙伴的资金,进一步推进研发项目,提高技术水平和研发人员能力。在新技术装备研发项目费用越来越高,难度越来越大的情况下,合作研发的机会不容忽视。

http://news.qq.com/a/20140209/002299.htm


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发表于 8-3-2014 07:51 AM | 显示全部楼层
cyberjaye 发表于 8-3-2014 01:40 AM
放心,买的机会不大。
我军如果要租,目前暂时仅有台风和Jas139可选。

放心  我軍買台風的機會也不會很高的。租戰機的可能性也不高。

如果台風出兵幫烏克蘭,也許情況就不一樣了
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detectivebinbin 发表于 3-9-2013 06:56 PM
不可以這麼說,純屬禮尚往來……畢竟俄系戰機也是法國巴黎航空展的常客,甚至還曾在表演時大方的把戰機摔 ...

BAE又出来show off了~~

Electronic Warfare 2014 exhibition and conference KL



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detectivebinbin 发表于 3-9-2013 06:56 PM
不可以這麼說,純屬禮尚往來……畢竟俄系戰機也是法國巴黎航空展的常客,甚至還曾在表演時大方的把戰機摔 ...


法国空军减买,印度可能不买,阵风害死XXX的空空导弹卖不出!


阵风出口捆绑销售导弹被批 或使弹药厂倒闭2014-04-19

核心提示:据英国《简氏防务周刊》4月10日报道,欧洲赛峰集团首席执行官让-保罗·埃赫特曼警告称若公司不能独立于达索公司的“阵风”战机之外单独出售模块化空对地武器(AASM)精确制导弹药(PGM),其弹药生产线将有倒闭的风险。

4月19日综合报道,据英国《简氏防务周刊》4月10日报道,欧洲赛峰集团首席执行官让-保罗·埃赫特曼(Jean-Paul Herteman)警告称若公司不能独立于达索公司的“阵风”战机之外单独出售模块化空对地武器(AASM)精确制导弹药(PGM),其弹药生产线将有倒闭的风险。

埃赫特曼在4月8日国家军队智囊团晚会上称,仅依赖阵风战机的出口,根本不能维持空对地导弹模块的正常生产,若不能单独出售空对地导弹模块,生产线将宣告破产。

据悉,增程高机动模块化弹药(HAMMER)现仅装备在法国空军和海军航空兵的“阵风”战机以及“幻影2000”战机上。模块化空对地导弹作为精确制导武器的一种,重量从250公斤到1000公斤不等。所有版本都具有火箭助推器、惯性导航与GPS导航、半主动激光制导与红外成像制导功能。

埃赫特曼直言不讳地抨击达索公司首席执行官埃里克·特拉皮,其原因在于后者不愿意增程高机动模块化弹药独立于达索公司的战机之外销售以期提高战机的销售潜力。


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