【古健杰/陈文宏集中讨论区】- 全国羽球大奖赛健杰文宏保男双江山

宗伟天下第一

原帖由 Lonely_Lucky 于 15-9-2007 06:21 PM 发表
古陈还是败了！

。。。。。希望下次能有好成绩吧！

永无止境的等待.......

hvliew

雷西应该会知道如何对他们两人对症下药吧。。
期望他们下次的比赛表现，希望他们整装待发，
拿个冠军回来。。

来自亚庇的成

原帖由 快乐星辰 于 15-9-2007 09:16 AM 发表
古陈到底怎么了？？？？
以前他们的崛起让很多国家的选手都怕遇上他们，我想现在应该是很多选手都恨不得早点遇上他们吧！！！！
我真得真得很想再看你们从入选赛开始一直杀进决赛的英勇模样

这就是大马本色..我都预了最后会酱的...上次雷西还讲他们能称王称霸10年......

ZL

原帖由 来自亚庇的成 于 15/9/07 07:10 PM 发表


这就是大马本色..我都预了最后会酱的...上次雷西还讲他们能称王称霸10年......

十年？？？现在的他们，十天都是个问题吧

来自亚庇的成

原帖由 ZL 于 15-9-2007 07:48 PM 发表

十年？？？现在的他们，十天都是个问题吧

这就是大马的做风咯......

来自亚庇的成

大马其他的男双也是跟古陈一样...赢多了也赢不下去了....两老还好....

coli_u

过渡期而已。。。熬过了就没有问题了。。。

雷西回印尼吧....

伤心的王子

我不怕得罪人...:@ :@ :@
如果版主认为我的言论太过分,我愿意接受处罚..:@ :@ :@
各位网友,我想问你们一句,大马球员是不是天生出来就被你们踩的?大马男双球员有得罪你们吗?
你们说的那么本领,你们去参加看看?
将心比心,如果你的孩子被大马球迷踩的话,你们有什么样的心情?
没有公开赛的日子,怎么没有看到你们上来发表建设性的贴子?
大马球员输球了,有些连看现场直播的都没有,也不是真正的充分的了解的球员,就"仙家"的"断章取义"的判断大马男双完了...拜托,你是大马男双教练吗?你是法官吗?
无可否认,球员输球了,我们的确很失望,如果你们把矛头指向大马几个已经报废的男单,我还可以接受.. 但是,别忘记大马男双除了李/钟和陈/王之外,另外4组真正的配对时间才不到1年...有些才6个月..请你们翻资料告诉我,世界上有那一组男双才配对不到3个月就有能力称霸公开赛的,不到半年就可以进入世界前10的..
我的总结:
大马不是没有人才,rexy和谢全新都说过大马是有人才的,而且技术和天赋是世界级的,只是大马羽总不会好好去栽培人才!!!

itools

大马福利太好了，拿了一两个冠军后，就奖田奖地，宴会月头排到月尾，哪还有心再打球。

hvliew

原帖由 耳塞 于 15-9-2007 08:56 PM 发表
雷西回印尼吧....

这也不可以怪教练。。教练只是负责指导和灌输新的东西。
球场上的临时表现只能看球员本身了。

贝乐

从他们在去年日本羽球公开赛，我就开始关注这个组的一切消息。
从他们扬威亚运会，大马羽球公开赛，全英赛等等赛事，看着他们从胜利到失败，感到非常失望。
原以为他们能够延续这个神话，但是从他们最近的表现看来，有点难度。
我希望这个组合能够重新整作，重新出发。
加油！

luckyfish

没错，给他们一点时间吧。一味的批评又能挽回些什么呢？
虽然接连的失利令人有些失望，但球员们也很需要大家的支持的。
希望雷西能够协助球员们有效的改善心理素质及承受压力的能力。
期待看到古陈，李钟等几支男双重新焕发出耀眼的光芒。

伤心的王子

原帖由 luckyfish 于 16-9-2007 03:01 PM 发表
没错，给他们一点时间吧。一味的批评又能挽回些什么呢？

建设性的批评,我们还可以接受..
但是,你看看我发贴前的几个网友的贴子(户口是有被扣分的),
他们的言论是不是真的有建设性?
给人的感觉是大马男双已经得罪了他们,非要把大马男双踩的一文不值才甘愿的..
我在想着,我们总有一天都会成家立室,成为父母,如果看到自己的孩子被这样踩的话,心情感受如何?
来到论坛交流的网友,我相信已经是年龄介于20左右了的,发表的言论也要成熟一些..不要再发表幼稚的贴子,给人的感觉是年龄成熟,思想还是停留再小学生/中学生的阶段,对自己本身都是很大的讽刺来的...

luckyfish

我的看法和你一样。球员输球大家都很难过，
但是只是半年的低潮，没有必要把他们踩得一文不值。
很多时候当球员赢得荣誉，就突然有很多人冒出来不断替他们戴高帽，
输球的时候不但不给予支持或建设性的建议，反而一味猛烈批评。
这算是一种很不健康的现象。
有时看到一些较为过分的批评心里真的很替球员们委屈难过。
希望大家在失望的当儿能够成熟面对，球员们需要的还是大家正面的支持力量。

BillGates

原帖由 耳塞 于 15-9-2007 08:56 PM 发表
雷西回印尼吧....

你來教吧。。。
如果他們輸球的話
你自動放棄自己的國籍

伤心的王子

刚刚在英文羽球论坛找到的..
不知道大家会不会认同古/陈目前面临的问题..

Predictability and ability to change important for Doubles

After the defeat of the Malaysian pairs KKK-TBH and LWW-CTF, it is clear that being a champion is only good till the next tournament.

One the many things that can upset a doubles pair is the predictability in their play. When KKK-TBH won the Asian Games, the ALL-England and then the Swiss Open, their type of play was immediately studied by the coaches all over: they wanted to learn their style so that they can nullify it. One of the most striking features of KKK-TBH’s play is their attack: KKK is a master up the front and TBH is devastating at the back (his jump smash was lethal). The first thing to do to nullify them is obviously take away the smash opportunity of TBH and then force him to take the uncomfortable front shots rather than KKK. KKK’s smashes are not as great – so force him to take up the back role.

Now for many people who have watched their recent plays, they floundered when the opposition applied their new strategies. People start to wonder why TBH is not getting the big smashes and why KKK is taking the smashes. Also, the drives by the opposition are straight into KKK’s body or face – he is forced to react but often returning back into the net.

In other words, KKK-TBH have become predictable. The opposition coaches have nailed their play through the focused studies.

Now it is not true that Rexy is not aware of all these. It is just that changes take time to improvise and often times, KKK-TBH are so used to their old ‘plays’, they get confused. They are varying their strokes and mixing it up --- TBH need to sharpen his techniques up-front and KKK will have reposition himself to play back (and revving up his jump smashing). All these experiments do not come overnight – going back to the old strategies will not work as the opponents have read them and are able to take advantage of their plays. KKK-TBH, unfortunately, have to struggle to be at their best whilst they experiment and learn to play differently. It is hard to change because it is like starting a partnership again. This is why YKH is saying he is not worried and will aim at the Beijing Olympics coz he knows the ‘repair’ will have to take time. There is now a longer term game plan whilst the shorter term is not looking too bright. And I think this is prevalent in most teams – look at the Indonesians, Markis-Kido were doing so well and then they were read and nullified (now I see a new revival with new style of play, maybe they are beginning to get it right again).

Now with Tan Fook-Wan Wah, the two have been around for a long time. Somehow, the two ‘foxes’ are able to vary their plays better, and when they get it right on the day, they play extremely well (but other times, they are just woeful). It will take too long to teach them any new ‘plays’ – all Rexy would do is to advise them to move faster or play certain shots because he knows it will be too hard to get them to change – in any case, as I said, the two are wily and can change quite well sometimes. So expect brilliance and also disappointments from them. It is as best as you can get from them. Their predictability is not so pronounced as they both can play front and back, unlike KKK-TBH. Of course, they will change accordingly but if they get it wrong, it will be “omg, they have lost again!”.

我也来叉一脚...
说真的我还满认同的..
的确很多外国教练在研究他们的打法...
不知你们有发现到吗?
每次中国队蔡付开球都有给暗号...
马来西亚在不久前也学中国用暗号来暗示..

luckyfish

这篇文章分析得相当深入也很有道理。
之前古陈一个镇守网前，一个从后施展凌厉扣杀，分工合作效果显著。
被对手摸透打法及及技术未臻全面、打法不够灵活变通等缺点后就寂静了下来。
希望诚如作者所言，目前只是他们提升技术、摸索改变打法的一个过渡期。
这些都是古陈一朝成名后必须经历的磨炼，但愿他们早日克服困难，重新焕发出夺目的光芒。

伤心的王子

简单一点说就是:
之前的古/陈打法,陈在后场进攻,古在网前主导比赛..

现在,对手破解他们的打法之后,
不和古玩网前球.一直起球给到后场给古..
迫陈到前场控制网前,
这样一来,之前的古前陈后的打法就被打乱了..

说真的,古/陈要成为传奇男双,还有一段路要走..
他们胜在年轻速度快,网前球出色,体力好之外,就没有什么特出的技术了..(如果比起tony/candra和李/钟)
Tony/candra无可否认还是当今世界第一的技术含量最高的男双..
李/钟是除了Tony/candra之外,有能力防蔡/付重炮的就是他们了..而且,还是有名的重炮手..李/钟的打法有时候可以不分谁前谁后,双方的技术都比较全面,如果不是李/钟的心理素质和体力比较不理想,我相信他们在21分制后已经拿到不少的国际赛冠军了..