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原帖由 klse.8k 于 9-4-2007 10:15 PM 发表
以上这条数学错的很严重， 欠新帐就得还旧账，所以用回旧的数目（430354）就可以了。
哦，原来是这样，但为什么不是430354+260787而只是430354？？
在2003，megan的recieveable 有两条，trade recieveable和other recieveable
在2004-2006， megan的recieveable 只有一条，Trade and other receivables
在2007，megan又分俩个,trade recieveable和other recieveable,为了比较之前，我必须再变回一个，所以是430354+260787，而不是430354 |
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:11 AM
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原帖由 latfa 于 9-4-2007 11:46 PM 发表
看来你更本没去了解megan ，562760 里面有200++ 是买机器的备用金！
为什么买机器的备用金是trade & other recieveable呢？？而不是cash或debt??他会从哪里拿来这笔钱呢？？是bank吗?如果是还未cash到手就还未借，还未借为何会有recieveable呢？？
难道是借了不过钱还未到手？？ |
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:17 AM
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原帖由 8years 于 10-4-2007 12:11 AM 发表
为什么买机器的备用金是trade & other recieveable呢？？而不是cash或debt??他会从哪里拿来这笔钱呢？？是bank吗?如果是还未cash到手就还未借，还未借为何会有recieveable呢？？
难道是借了不过钱还 ...
去参考 年报 59页的 7.1项！
再看看cashflow 哪里第49页 哪里已经交待清楚了
希望你能在作了功课才来讨论而不是不了解的大说一场！
[ 本帖最后由 latfa 于 10-4-2007 12:19 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:22 AM
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:23 AM
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原帖由 klse.8k 于 9-4-2007 10:15 PM 发表
以上这条数学错的很严重， 欠新帐就得还旧账，所以用回旧的数目（430354）就可以了。
8k前辈说得对，我再看回，的确是不能用amount3*4,是不对的。
但为何只是430354而不是430354+260787呢？？
如果260787是买机器的后备金，那么为什么放在trade&recievable而不是其他地方？？ |
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:24 AM
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:29 AM
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原帖由 latfa 于 10-4-2007 12:17 AM 发表
去参考 年报 59页的 7.1项！
再看看cashflow 哪里第49页 哪里已经交待清楚了
希望你能在作了功课才来讨论而不是不了解的大说一场！
谢谢啦，这我就了解了。
那是不是说，我已经给了这笔钱，而机器又未到手，所以就变成recieveable了。这就说得明白。。。
但。。。。。这不就讲明原来机器还没在megan吗？？？？？那么早给钱怎么？？？要给80%的钱才可以买机器？？还要早一年给？？？ |
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:30 AM
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:38 AM
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原帖由 8years 于 10-4-2007 12:29 AM 发表
谢谢啦，这我就了解了。
那是不是说，我已经给了这笔钱，而机器又未到手，所以就变成recieveable了。这就说得明白。。。
但。。。。。这不就讲明原来机器还没在megan吗？？？？？那么早给钱怎么？？？ ...
这就为什么8k之前提过说了，megan为了发展更新的产品而将200m放在一边，8k也说了他喜欢megan的成长！
yeo也选择了继续成长而不是放慢脚步！
北风兄也推算过了如果不投资在蓝光而将这笔钱拿去换债务或是发展dvd-r 的分别了请参考之前的帖子 |
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:45 AM
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那我就了解了，也就是说在下一季megan的fixasset 将由588601变成588601+260000
然后trade recieveable就变成430354，原来如此，那么就了解了。 |
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发表于 10-4-2007 12:49 AM
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新的资料：| year | trade & recieveable | turn over | % | | 2002 | 91900 | 139078 | 66.08% | | 2003 | 134142 | 217078 | 61.79% | | 2004 | 269972 | 585431 | 46.12% | | 2005 | 298912 | 904696 | 33.04% | | 2006 | 350772 | 1034797 | 33.90% | | 2007(est) | 430354 | 1032865 | 41.67% |
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| | how to get 1032865=774649/3*4 |
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| | 562760==>minus 211988==>350772 |
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这就了解了，这数目就比较合理。只是从33%提高到41%。还是在198天范围内。365/2 approx 198天==〉approx 50%。也就是below 50%咯。这算法应该对吧。 |
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发表于 10-4-2007 02:13 AM
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2006
Depreciation
Freehold land is not depreciated. Buildings are depreciated on a straight-line basis over the shorter of
50 years or the lease period of 30 years. The straight-line method is used to write off the cost of other assets.over the term of their estimated useful lives at the following principal annual rates:
Factory equipment, machinery and moulds 10%
Computer and offi ce equipment, furniture and electrical fi ttings 10%
Renovation 10%
Motor vehicles 20%
Research and development equipment 10%
With effect from 1 November 2005, the estimated useful lives of all property, plant and equipment except for buildings and motor vehicles in the subsidiary were revised so as to better refl ect their estimated useful lives,which resulted in a change in depreciation rate for those assets from 20% to 10%.
[ 本帖最后由 kingnqueen 于 10-4-2007 02:22 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 10-4-2007 02:20 AM
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2006
Inventory
2006
RM’000
Raw materials 13,690
Work-in-progress 2,370
Manufactured inventories 27,364
total 43,424
[ 本帖最后由 kingnqueen 于 10-4-2007 02:23 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 10-4-2007 02:29 AM
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2006
7.1 Other receivables, deposits and prepayments
Included in other receivables, deposits and prepayments of the Group is a deposit of RM211,988,000 (2005
- RM28,525,000) paid for the purchase of plant and machinery.
TRADE AND OTHER PAYABLES (cont’d)
9.1 Associates
The amounts due to associates are trade in nature and interest free.
9.2 Amounts due to Directors
The amounts due to Directors are unsecured, interest free and have no fi xed terms of repayment.
[ 本帖最后由 kingnqueen 于 10-4-2007 02:30 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 10-4-2007 02:35 AM
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| 3 Years Performance Data | | | 2006 | 2005 | 2004 | | Revenue | RM 1,034.80M | RM 904.70M | RM 585.43M | | Price / Revenue | 0.12 | 0.14 | 0.22 | | Revenue Growth | 0.14 | 0.55 | 1.70 | | Net Income After Tax | RM 60.23M | RM 65.15M | RM 50.84M | | Net Earning Margin | 0.06 | 0.07 | 0.09 | | Net Earning Growth | -0.08 | 0.28 | 0.77 | | No of Share Outstanding | 205.58M | 205.58M | 88.86M | | EPS, Basic, Excl. Extra. Items | RM 0.30 | RM 0.34 | RM 0.62 | | Price Earning Ratio (Basic) | 2.12 | 1.83 | 1.01 | | EPS, Basic, Incl. Extra. Items | - | - | - | | EPS, Basic, Adjusted for Pref. div., Excl. EI | - | - | - | | EPS, Diluted, Excl. Extra. Items | RM 0.30 | RM 0.34 | RM 0.62 | | Price Earning Ratio (Diluted) | 2.12 | 1.84 | 1.01 | | EPS, Diluted, Incl. Extra. Items | - | - | - | | Net Tangible Assets Per Share | RM 2.29 | RM 2.03 | RM 2.78 | | Return on Total Assets | 4.31% | 5.69% | 6.98% | | Return on Equity | 12.80% | 15.58% | 20.57% | | Total Shareholders Fund | RM 470.71M | RM 418.14M | RM 247.11M |
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发表于 10-4-2007 02:36 AM
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Fundamentals| Company Basics | | Exchange | Bursa Malaysia | | Company Name | Megan Media Holdings Berhad | | Stock Code | 7101 | | Sectors | Product Industry | | Paid Up Capital | RM 205,576,525.00 | | Par Value | RM 1.00 (as at 2006-04-30) | | Market Cap | 128,485,328.13 (based on value of 0.6250 per share) |
Business Summary| MEGAN is principally engaged in investment holding and provision of management consultancy services, whilst the principal activities of the subsidiaries are manufacture and sale of data storage products such as computer diskettes, |
[ 本帖最后由 kingnqueen 于 10-4-2007 02:38 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 10-4-2007 06:58 AM
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原帖由 veriton 于 10-4-2007 12:00 AM 发表
Hm..why buy Warrant? You think MEGAN is possible to hit more than RM2.63 on a mad run?? If you want to speculate, buy mother share. Logically, if warrant is RM0.4, Mother share is RM2.00. ...
看来你不了解凭单的拱杆作用(Leverage)，俗语说的小刀锯大树就是了。孩子年轻力壮，攀升的比例和妈妈不成正比的。 |
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发表于 10-4-2007 07:41 AM
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原帖由 latfa 于 10-4-2007 12:38 AM 发表
这就为什么8k之前提过说了，megan为了发展更新的产品而将200m放在一边，8k也说了他喜欢megan的成长！
yeo也选择了继续成长而不是放慢脚步！
北风兄也推算过了如果不投资在蓝光而将这笔钱拿去换债务或是发 ...
yeo若选择了继续成长也不会卖了股份。这些在市场上买卖的老板还会继续专心正业吗？ |
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发表于 10-4-2007 07:48 AM
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原帖由 8years 于 10-4-2007 12:49 AM 发表
新的资料： year trade & recieveable turn over % 2002 91900 139078 66.08% 2003 134142 217078 61.79% 2004 269972 585431 46.12% 2005 298912 904696 33.04% 2006 ...
请算算current ratio/liquidity ratio
他的cash flow circle [365/（receivables turnover + inventory turnover - payable turnover )] 太难看了。从这点我们可以看出他的管理层没有很好的管理它的现金流状况。
对不起，我现在比较注重现金流。有错莫怪。
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发表于 10-4-2007 08:40 AM
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原帖由 jackphang 于 10-4-2007 07:48 AM 发表
请算算current ratio/liquidity ratio
他的cash flow circle 太难看了。从这点我们可以看出他的管理层没有很好的管理它的现金流状况。
对不起，我现在比较注重现金流。有错莫怪。
current ratio = current asset/current liabilities
liquidity ratio = (current asset - stock)/current liabilities
* The ratio should normally be between 0.5:1 and 1:1 (however this can vary with different markets) for the business to be safe from bankruptcy.
cash flow circle ????? 解釋下要怎樣用？？？ |
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