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股災何時見底?--OBAMA的8250億擋不了股市下跌
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发表于 5-12-2008 01:46 AM
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发表于 5-12-2008 05:17 PM
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哈哈。。。
综指是自己和自己玩。。。
但是又不是很够资本玩。。。
所以就只能上就上一点点。。。
下也只下一点点。。。  |
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发表于 7-12-2008 04:00 PM
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原帖由 luckystar2008 于 7-12-2008 12:10 PM 发表 
大家都不看好明年的經濟 , 農歷新年過后會更慘, 分分鐘馬股都會跌破六百點.
可以解释深入点吗? 虽然我也是这么认为。。。 |
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发表于 8-12-2008 01:20 AM
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:02 AM
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原帖由 草根一名 于 8-12-2008 01:44 AM 发表 
9月20日因雷曼兄弟倒閉,引發討厭股票的情緒,
變成9月22日至10月27日的惡性拋售。
美股11月21日經惡性拋售後,短期内将無法出現牛市,
因为企業純利回落,銀行失去出售衍生產品的收入,
令利潤永久減少。
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其实你的看法对的。
问题是我们对回弹/投资的定义不同。
大跌后当然不会立刻有大牛,市场是慢慢起回的。
DOW
10 Oct: 8451Lehman 破产后
20 Nov: 7552再度大跌
21 Nov: 8046很快的一天后起回去
24 Nov:8443,22,23是周末,第二个交易后几乎回到20 Nov的水平。
5 Dec: 8635
如果你在Lehman 破产后买入股票,今天你还是赢的
企业盈利少30%,不代表股票也一样的少30%。
銀行失去出售衍生產品的收入,不代表盈利也少60%(目前亚洲银行股票平均跌50-60%) |
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:34 AM
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经济师肯定会说明年经济更艰难,但是股票分析师就未必会说同样的话。
Forecasting the 2009 DJIA (9,532.73 or +10%)
December 06, 2008 –
The DJIA is calculated by adding up all of the stock prices and dividing by the DJIA divisor (currently 0.125552709). You calculate the DJIA earnings the same way...add all of the EPS and divide by the divisor.
Using Motley's average earnings forecasts for 2008, the total DJIA EPS 08 forecast is $78.26. This represents $623.32 in adjusted earnings (divisor) or a current DJIA P/E of 13.85. The average historic P/E of the DJIA (and many other markets from what I have read) is roughly around 14 (earnings yield of 7%).
Using the 14 PE ratio and the 2008 average, high and low EPS estimates, the Dow average is 8,726.53. Using all of the high EPS estimated would put the Dow at 9,954.23 and all of the low estimates at 7,632.65. Averaging the extremes (high and low) puts the Dow at 8,793.44. Based on these numbers, one could easily argue that the Dow is currently fairly priced based on earnings expectations (if not slightly undervalued).
The 2009 average EPS for the DJIA is $85.29 (8.9% EPS growth). The highs represent $113.42 in EPS (+45%) and the lows represent $56.76 in EPS (-27%). Using the same 14 PE ratio, the average EPS puts the Dow at 9,532.73. All of the highs put the Dow at 12,647.12 while all of the lows put the Dow at 6,329.13. Averaging the highs and the lows puts the Dow at 9,488.13.
Based on EPS averages next year, the Dow would be fairly priced at a 10% growth rate. Looking at the extreme EPS variations (high and low) and Dow projected price points, there is 63.5% room to the upside from the current position and 36.5% room to the downside.
These numbers are all subject to change once Q4 numbers are released and 09 guidance is reiterated or adjusted.
[ 本帖最后由 napster 于 8-12-2008 02:35 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:40 AM
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看看就好了,他们的话未必值得相信,自己判断最好
Investors see "bottoming process" in U.S. stocks
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A growing number of high-profile investors have reversed course and now see value in U.S. shares even as volatility is expected to continue into 2009 with the recession seen dragging on.
On Friday, the Dow Jones industrial average climbed nearly 260 points even though the government said U.S. companies shed 533,000 jobs in November and the unemployment rate rose to 6.7 percent, the highest reading since 1993.
"All year, people have been so pessimistic that any kind of bad news and the market just goes down," said Chris Orndorff, who helps oversee $50 billion at Payden & Rygel Investment Management in Los Angeles. "But when the market shrugs off bad news just as it did, investors are signaling that the worst is behind us."
The allure of heavily-battered stocks, which are down nearly 40 percent, has grown so strong that some of Wall Street's most prominent investors are dipping their toes into the market, suggesting the brutal declines may be over the worst.
"We are in a bottoming process in the markets, but that doesn't mean we are now entering a bull-market phase," said Brian Gendreau, an investment strategist in New York for ING Investment Management Americas. "Things take time to work itself out."
Gendreau and Orndorff join some of the savviest money managers -- Jeremy Grantham, chairman and market strategist of money manager Grantham, Mayo, Van Otterloo & Co.; Bill Ackman, who runs the Pershing Square hedge fund; and Bob Doll, global chief investment officer of equities at money manager BlackRock Inc. -- who are betting that equities have fallen to levels far below their intrinsic value.
The Standard & Poor's 500 .SPX is down 40 percent, the Dow Jones industrial average .DJI is down 35 percent and the Nasdaq Composite Index .IXIC is down 43 percent this year.
This week, Legg Mason's Bill Miller, a celebrated value investor but whose stock picking is far off the mark this year, said the "bottom has been made" in U.S. equities, and forecast opportunities for strong gains once markets rally.
Miller said that all long-term investors believe that stocks today are cheap, but credit markets must regain health before equity markets can rally. It "looks as if the bottom has been made" in U.S. stocks, said Miller, who runs Legg Mason's $7.6 billion Value Trust fund.
At the Reuters Investment Outlook Summit this week, 15 prominent portfolio managers including legendary hedge fund investor and philanthropist Michael Steinhardt will discuss if U.S. stocks have indeed hit bottom.
The topics won't stop there. The summit will cover issues including: How much longer is the credit crisis and recession likely to go and why? What will pull the U.S. out of the debt malaise and consumer crunch? Is the vicious deleveraging process over? How will President-elect Barack Obama's fiscal stimulus package take shape? And of course, where are the best -- and riskiest -- investments in 2009?
BlackRock's Doll; Mohamed El-Erian, chief executive officer of bond-fund giant Pacific Investment Management Co.; international investor Jim Rogers; and John Taylor, chairman and chief executive officer of FX Concepts, along with Steinhardt will address these issues at this week's Reuters Investment Outlook Summit.
Doll said all of the variables to date -- fiscal and monetary policy initiatives, the price of oil, lower government bond yields, political change in Washington and now quantitative easing by the Federal Reserve -- seem to be working together to arrest the credit crisis, bolster economic activity and put a floor under deeply distressed stock prices.
That said, "confidence is the key," which is a factor the financial markets have lacked all year, he added. |
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:46 AM
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发表于 8-12-2008 09:04 AM
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发表于 8-12-2008 09:51 AM
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发表于 8-12-2008 01:00 PM
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IMF:擁足夠條件應對危機‧大馬經濟料續正面成長
2008-12-03 12:46
(吉隆坡)國際貨幣基金組織(IMF)認為,全球經濟放緩開始對大馬帶來影響,明年經濟料顯著放緩至3.8%,惟大馬擁有足夠條件應對危機,經濟料持續呈正面成長。
基金會駐新加坡代表翰哲布克表示,主要貿易國出口活動放緩,信貸活動開始緊縮,馬幣貶值、債券發售量減少以及股市暴跌40%等跡象均顯示全球經濟危機開始對大馬經濟帶來影響。
“全球經濟放緩週期可能延長,儘管國內通膨壓力開始趨緩,但在高失業率、低投資和消費、原產品價格疲弱環境下,大馬經濟可能進一步受創,明年經濟率料僅達3.8%。”
國際貨幣基金組織預計2008年大馬平均通膨率達7%,2009年通膨率則為3%。
儘管如此,他認為,企業和銀行業資產負債表表現強穩、銀行採取審慎投資策略和龐大外匯儲備等利好因素,讓大馬處於良好位置應對經濟放緩衝擊。
“此外,政府和國家銀行適當的貨幣和財政政策,將重點鎖定成長,並積極為系統註入資金,市場資金充裕,以及銀行業採取適當抗不明朗經濟環境措施,均有利於推動經濟成長。”
他指出,儘管金融體系次序井井有條,表現業相對穩定,但現在不是鬆懈的時刻,銀行業應進一步強化風險管理,以應對高度曝光於產業和家庭市場的風險。
星洲日報/財經‧2008.12.03 |
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发表于 8-12-2008 01:05 PM
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原帖由 草根一名 于 8-12-2008 01:44 AM 发表 
9月20日因雷曼兄弟倒閉,引發討厭股票的情緒,
變成9月22日至10月27日的惡性拋售。
美股11月21日經惡性拋售後,短期内将無法出現牛市,
因为企業純利回落,銀行失去出售衍生產品的收入,
令利潤永久減少。
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底部在那裡。
你愿意在那裡從新累積呢,底部就是在那裡了。
要等最高和最底的都是我們這些安娣做的事。 |
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发表于 8-12-2008 01:14 PM
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亚洲大起
HK & SEOUL 起了7%
这股瘟又要蔓延了  |
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:15 PM
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回复 102# 密码侦探 的帖子
今天股市大起!
尤其香港起了1000點!
的確很令人激動,好像市場已經見底了??
但是我的理智告訴我:
1.美國房價大概需要2009年6月才可能見底
2.美國失業率可能會達8%,預計要2009年年尾才見底...
只好壓制自己,不要進場,不要進場...
千萬不要買熊市的反彈...
如果我的觀點正確自然好,
如果錯了!我可要跳樓了!
失去了抄底的機會 |
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:20 PM
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自從二戰以來,美國曾經出現過十次經濟衰退,
平均持續時間為10個月,其中最嚴重的兩次衰退分別發生在1973年以及1981年,分別延續了16個月。
由于本輪經濟衰退尚處于加速發展過程中,許多經濟指標還在不斷惡化,因而很可能成為二戰以來最嚴重的衰退。 |
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:23 PM
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錯了,你也没亏啊, 但是假如这是熊市的反彈,而你又进场的话,肯定遭殃。 保护实力,留待 09年第二或第三季度报告后才出击吧。
现在应做的事吨粮,部署,再等待时机出击。 |
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:23 PM
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如果错了也不是大问题,抄底不成在来临的牛市(如果现在是底部)追高也没有什么不妥。。。 |
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发表于 8-12-2008 02:34 PM
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原帖由 chookf 于 8-12-2008 02:15 PM 发表 
今天股市大起!
尤其香港起了1000點!
的確很令人激動,好像市場已經見底了??
但是我的理智告訴我:
1.美國房價大概需要2009年6月才可能見底
2.美國失業率可能會達8%,預計要2009年年尾才見底.. ...
股市大起 有原由
奥巴马公布经济复苏计划 被称罗斯福新政当代版 2008年12月08日 北京晨报
美国当选总统贝拉克·奥巴马6日公布经济复苏计划五大内容,即政府节能、启动50多年来国内最大规模基础设施建设、展开史上最大规模学校硬件升级活动、改进医疗状况和普及宽带网。他希望这项计划能化解当下经济危机、提高就业率,同时增强美国的国际竞争力。
加大基建 推进节能
奥巴马当天在广播演说中说,由于经济形势不好,引发诸多社会问题。他明年1月就职后会推动国会迅速通过一项经济复苏计划,“挽救或创造至少250万个就业岗位,以帮助失去工作的近200万美国人知道自己还有将来”。
经济复苏计划一项主要内容是加大基础设施建设投入。奥巴马说:“借助向我国基础设施投入自联邦高速公路系统20世纪50年代创立以来最大单项新投资,我们能创造数以百万计就业岗位。”
考虑到联邦政府的基础设施建设资金可能因地方政府官僚作风不能及时下放,他说:“我们会(对各州)设一条简明规矩:要么用它,要么放弃它。如果州政府未能迅速向州内道路桥梁投资,就会失去这笔钱。”
按计划,新政府加大基建投入的同时会采取节能措施削减开支。
按照奥巴马的说法,新政府会采取措施促使公共建筑更节约能源,“政府现在支付全世界最贵能源账单,必须改变这一点”。
他承诺升级联邦政府办公设施,更新取暖设备、安装节能灯泡,“不仅为纳税人省钱,还能帮人们找到工作”。
普及宽带 修缮学校
奥巴马计划投入巨资普及宽带服务,提高公众上网速度。他认为,美国宽带普及率世界排名第十五,“令人无法接受”。根据这一计划,普及宽带从“娃娃抓起”,“每个孩子应有机会上网,这是我们提高美国全球竞争力的手段”。
奥巴马说,新政府会展开有史以来最大规模校园设施现代化升级建设,“修好破损的学校设施,让它们更节能,并在教室中装新电脑”。按照他的说法,要提高孩子以后的竞争力,“就要送他们上21世纪的学校”。
奥巴马同时谈及升级医院设施,“确保医院彼此联网”,“确保全国每处医生办公室和医院都用上最先进技术、使用电子档案”。
在他看来,这项措施不仅能遏制官僚主义风气、避免医疗失误,每年还能节省数以十亿美元计的开销。
不走老路不乱花钱
奥巴马在讲话中没有透露投资总额,但他的助手们和一些民主党议员预计,总额大约7000亿美元。一些经济学家甚至预计投资总额高达上万亿美元。
《华盛顿邮报》由计划内容推测,这笔投资会创联邦政府经济投资数额最高记录,难免引发公众有关“钱花得是否合适”的争议。
奥巴马承诺,新政府不会乱花钱,“会以新的更明智方式使用你们先前所交税款”。
“我们不会走华盛顿老路,不会单纯为解决眼下问题花钱”,他说,新政府计划用这笔投资在化解经济危机的同时进行改革,以增加就业岗位、节约能源并增强美国全球竞争力。
美国《政治周刊》评论,奥巴马试图在刺激经济、增加就业岗位的同时实现他竞选时在教育、能源、医疗方面的核心改革倡议,所提经济计划堪称“罗斯福新政”当代版。
吴铮(新华社供本报特稿)
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Dow Future +165  |
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