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Daniel16

请问18岁以下可以参加吗？

pooihang

18岁以下是可以参加的

pooihang

18岁以下是可以参加的

Daniel16

哦。。。那整个行程大概要几久？

pooihang

原帖由 Daniel16 于 21-7-2009 09:01 PM 发表
哦。。。那整个行程大概要几久？

飞行时间大约半小时,加上登记和简介的时间,大约一小时.但仍需视当天的天气和交通状况而定

onekiss

请问目前还有这个“当一日飞机师的飞行活动吗”？

目前两人的价钱是多少？ 谢谢～～

痞子_InCreDible

看了这个“当一日飞机师“的帖子后
整个人都兴奋起来了（现在1点多都没法入睡）
我现在才知道在KL 有这样的活动
哈哈，其实之前一直在重复的说着很羡慕老何，Blueangels , hoong ji 他们能实现了梦想在蓝天上飞行。。
现在至少有了这个活动，至少能让我们这些对飞行很有兴趣（我自小的心愿是当机师）的人，终于能有机会一圆飞行的初体验了
请问下负责人， 这个活动还有在办吗？
有什么网站或着联络号码，以便登记与询问。。

我真的很有兴趣
请问除了在KL, 在JB 还是Spore 有没有类似的飞行活动呢？
（因为我在新加玻工作与定居，KL 虽然有点远，但为了这个活动我铁定了一定要去飞的！）

老何大大，请问你：

1。这种飞机的引擎是？
2。你们在MAS cadet pilot programme 时有飞过这种飞机吗？（ Cessna 150），安全吗？比起737，330，这种小型飞机会比较容易操控吗？
3。在1500的高度飞行，会有可能有turbulence?这种小型飞机遇到turbulence 时该怎么处理？
4。这种小型的飞机去飞因该很容易，会没有像jetliner 那样需要达到V1,V2,Vr 那种速度起飞？landing 呢？电脑会自动报告出角度(?)100,80,50,......mininum 等？
5。问些愚蠢的问题，这个Cessana 有Autopilot? any flap setting? landing gear 是fixed 的吗？（应该不会像jetliner 那样能gear up/down ）？，Max speed / 高度是多少呢? 这种飞机会有Q Feel ? (还是根本就是直接real control, real feel 那种？ 不像737，747， B330 etc 那种fly by wire ?

不好意思，赎怒小弟发文的问题，因为我不是像你们那么专业受过训练，但却对飞行有很多疑问，兴趣
所以所发问的东西可能不符合逻辑，希望你别建议。
最后希望你能指点与分享
小弟万分感激

谢谢老何

老何

老何大大，请问你：

1。这种飞机的引擎是？
2。你们在MAS cadet pilot programme 时有飞过这种飞机吗？（ Cessna 150），安全吗？比起737，330，这种小型飞机会比较容易操控吗？
3。在1500的高度飞行，会有可能有turbulence?这种小型飞机遇到turbulence 时该怎么处理？
4。这种小型的飞机去飞因该很容易，会没有像jetliner 那样需要达到V1,V2,Vr 那种速度起飞？landing 呢？电脑会自动报告出角度(?)100,80,50,......mininum 等？
5。问些愚蠢的问题，这个Cessana 有Autopilot? any flap setting? landing gear 是fixed 的吗？（应该不会像jetliner 那样能gear up/down ）？，Max speed / 高度是多少呢? 这种飞机会有Q Feel ? (还是根本就是直接real control, real feel 那种？ 不像737，747， B330 etc 那种fly by wire ?

不好意思，赎怒小弟发文的问题，因为我不是像你们那么专业受过训练，但却对飞行有很多疑问，兴趣
所以所发问的东西可能不符合逻辑，希望你别建议。
最后希望你能指点与分享
小弟万分感激

谢谢老何
痞子_InCreDible 发表于 29-11-2010 01:36 AM

1. Piston Engine (就是和我们架的的汽车引擎是一样的。)

2. Cessna 150 是属于 trainer 。操控来说是算最容易上手的。MAS 的 CPP 飞行学院是用 Piper Warrior (PA-28)，Eagle 150 (E150B) 和 Diamond 40 (DA-40)。Diamond 40 的引擎不 stable。已经发生过很多意外上报纸。

3. 将 fuel mixture 调至 fully rich。Carburetor heat On。

4. 小型飞机是不用计算 takeoff speed 的。不过要注意的倒是 weight。多数两人乘坐的小型飞机是可以承载 +-250 kg 左右的重量而已。有些甚至更少。 亚洲人是没有这样的问题。因为我们体格小嘛。

起飞 +-65kt。降落 +-60kt。小型飞机而已，没有电脑做 auto call-out 啦。

5. 豪华版的会有 Auto-pilot。普通版是没有Auto-pilot 。

Flap lever 是像汽车的 hand-break 那样拉起来。我不清楚 cessna 150 的 flap 有几个settings。小型飞机多数都是 flap 10，flap 20， flap 30，flap 40。起飞可以 flapless 或 flap 10。平时降落可以 flap 30，flap 40。如果要 flapless landing 也可以。不过会需要更长的跑道而已。因为降落的速度更快。

Landing Gear 是固定的。

小型飞机的 normal cruising speed 都是 100kt 左右(green range)。再快就是 yellow range。最快(红线 Never exceed speed)是 140kt 左右。

Cessna 150 高度超过 10,000 尺是没有问题。不过人超过 10,000 就有问题。头脑会 hypoxia 缺氧然后 pass-out 昏睡过去。除非你自备氧气筒(不过不要忘记计算氧气桶的重量)。还有另外一个问题是，10,000 尺的高空会比地面少20度 (地面 30C ＝ 10,000尺 10C)。如果没有戴寒衣千万不要飞那么高。高处不胜寒。

所有的 flight control 都是用铁线 mechanical linkage 而已。Pre-flight 的其中一个步骤是检查这些 mechanical linkage 有没有问题。

痞子_InCreDible

1. Piston Engine (就是和我们架的的汽车引擎是一样的。)

2. Cessna 150 是属于 trainer 。操控来说 ...
老何 发表于 29-11-2010 09:45 AM

hi 老何大大
非常感激你的分享与指导
让我们这些后辈获益良多
看了你以上分享的资料后
让我对这个小型飞机有了更多的认识
我也会努力的去google 寻找更多的资料
及上图书馆借些书来阅读
我真的对飞行抱着很大的热情
也很仰慕你们这些机师self displine 与刻苦耐劳
永不放弃学习的热诚
这些都是我该学习的
真的很期待有天能像你们一样
在蓝天上自由翱翔

痞子_InCreDible

为何这里那么静了呢？
请问主办人还在吗？
这个活动还有在主办吗？
最近有任何的＂飞机发烧友＂ 去飞了这个飞机吗？
可以分享下你们的经验
谢谢

shinkai

哈哈，我看见我的flying club的飞机，Cessna152，和150 =）

shim

那里可以租 Diamond 40 ?

痞子_InCreDible

哈哈，我看见我的flying club的飞机，Cessna152，和150 =）
shinkai 发表于 3-12-2010 09:30 PM

这位大大
请问你的flying club 在那里？
可以分享多点资料吗？
会费贵不贵？
多少呢？
谢谢

shinkai

回复 113# 痞子_InCreDible


  不敢做大大，我在Subang FAS Flying club 拿PPL，请问你是想要拿PPL吗？还是flight introductory programme?

痞子_InCreDible

回复  痞子_InCreDible


  不敢做大大，我在Subang FAS Flying club 拿PPL，请问你是想要拿PPL吗？还是 ...
shinkai 发表于 4-12-2010 01:17 AM

    谢谢您的回复
请问PPL 的qualification 是什么?
我怕我超龄了不能了
可以分享多些flight introductory programme 的资料吗
是长期的还是短期? 一日速成的那种?
费用是多少呢?
飞什么机种?
Duration 等等资料
谢谢你的分享

痞子_InCreDible

老何大大
请问这些Cessna 机种有没有黑箱的呢?
我在猜想这飞机那么小因该没地方装置黑箱
（还是没必要？因为不是商业用途？或者因为飞短途或训练用）？
一般上没黑箱的飞机，机师和ATC 的对话是记录在 ATC 哪里吗？
一般上你们和ATC 的对话是以国际标准的英文对话吗？
哈哈有时我在猜想当你和华人Captain 同飞一趟航班去台湾／上海时
不懂你们和这些地方的ATC 会用中文communication 吗？
黑箱的storage 是多大的呢？
一般上会记录哪些资料？
如果没法生什么＂事件＂ 这些资料会被overwrite 的吗？
还是公司有特别的部门把这些黑箱的资料backup 起来？
黑箱是在什么时候开始启动记录的呢？
你们机师普通的聊天谈话会记录在里面的吗？
谢谢老何的解答

cold_spoon

为何这里那么静了呢？
请问主办人还在吗？
这个活动还有在主办吗？
最近有任何的＂飞机发烧友＂ 去飞了这 ...
痞子_InCreDible 发表于 3-12-2010 08:15 PM

你可以去Subang的flying club问相关资料。那里有shinkai说的FAS，还有Subang Flying Club。如果你是在新加坡的话，可以问问JB和新加坡有没有flying club offer introductory flight。在大马，很多flying club都有offer这个service的。我建议你直接联络flying club安排比较好，这样你可以直接和他们沟通你在intro flight要做什么东西和你飞 intro flight的目的。

那里可以租 Diamond 40 ?
shim 发表于 3-12-2010 09:57 PM

大马的flying club主要是用Cessna，好像没有人用Piper和DA40。可能私人飞机有租借服务，但我不知道哪里有。

这位大大
请问你的flying club 在那里？
可以分享多点资料吗？
会费贵不贵？
多少呢？
谢谢
痞子_InCreDible 发表于 3-12-2010 10:36 PM

FAS的intro flight大概Rm600，只是去年的价钱。今年我就不知道有没有起价，要看油有没有起价。

回复  痞子_InCreDible


  不敢做大大，我在Subang FAS Flying club 拿PPL，请问你是想要拿PPL吗？还是 ...
shinkai 发表于 4-12-2010 01:17 AM

原来你是FAS的。FAS的course和老师你觉的如何?

谢谢您的回复
请问PPL 的qualification 是什么?
我怕我超龄了不能了
可以分享多些flight i ...
痞子_InCreDible 发表于 4-12-2010 01:19 PM

copy回来的
http://www.dca.gov.my/download.php?FilePoolID=281
还是那句，楼主请善用google

Becoming a Private Pilot
Most pilots in Malaysia hold or have held a Private Pilot Licenses. We have about 500 private pilots who fly many different types of aircraft.
After enrolling yourself as a student pilot at any flying club, you can apply to DCA for a Student Pilot License (SPL). This license will authorize you to fly instructional (dual) sortie with an instructor. The prerequisite for SPL is only pass medical examination Class 2.
You can hold a PPL only at the age of 17 years old. There is no minimum academic requirement to be a PPL pilot. A Private Pilot cannot be paid or rewarded to fly.
You can hold a Private Pilot License when you are 17 years old.
A PPL is made up of several parts, both practical and written. The first step is a medical examination.
Medical
Private Pilots must pass a Class 2 medical examination (Same requirement as SPL medical). This examination must only be carried out by specialist aviation doctors, located throughout Malaysia. Your flying club, flying school or the DCA will provide you with a list of these doctors in your area. During the Class 2 medical examination your general health, hearing and eyesight will be tested. If you are aged under 40, you must renew your medical every two years. If you are between 40 and 60 your medical lasts for one year, and if you are 60 or older it is valid for six months only. If you are unable to pass your medical examination, you can continue to fly with an instructor, but you cannot hold a PPL. So, to avoid possible disappointment later, you should make sure you are able to pass your medical before beginning flight training.
Fit and Proper
Another thing to consider before you begin your flight training is that the PPL is an aviation document requiring that you be assessed as a “Fit and Proper Person” to hold this license. The application form for the issue of your license contains questions on such things as your court conviction history. To be considered “Fit and Proper” to hold an aviation license you must have demonstrated an acceptable respect for the law, such that the DCA may have confidence in your ability to fly within the Civil Aviation Rules. You are required to remain a “Fit and Proper” person throughout the operating life of your license. For further information contact DCA or view the DCA web site www.dca.gov.my.
Flying Lessons
You will learn to fly progressively. Early lessons cover the basics, like controlling the aircraft in straight and level flight. The structure and sequence of lessons creates a building block process, where previous learning is reinforced and developed in succeeding lessons. Eventually you will cover everything you need to be a capable and safe pilot.
Learning about the flying environment, and your aircraft, is part of being a safe and competent pilot.
Most students will fly solo for the first time after about 10 to 15 hours of flying lessons. A full PPL requires a minimum of 45 hours of flying, but most students have about 70 hours before they are ready for the flight test.
Alternatively, you could train for a PPL that limits you to flying near the aerodrome at which you are trained. This license requires a minimum of 40 hours flying, as it does not include cross-country training. You could choose to gain this license first, and then move on to gain your full PPL later. Your flying club or flying school will discuss these options with you.
Each flying lesson typically lasts about 45 minutes. Your instructor will usually give you a briefing before the flight so you will know what to expect, and what is required of you. A debriefing after the flight helps to consolidate what you have learned. You must log every flight. Your flying club or flying school will sell you a pilot’s logbook to record the date of each flight, the aircraft type and registration, the name of your instructor, the length of your flight, where you went and what you did. You can take your flying lessons as frequently as time and finances allow, but, it is advisable to plan for regular sessions. One lesson every week or 10 days will ensure cost effective training.
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Private Pilot License Examinations
The six (6) PPL examinations are set at about the same level as SPM or O level examinations. A pass mark of 70 percent or greater is required. Learning about the flying environment, and your aircraft, is part of being a safe and competent pilot. Your flying club or flying school will help you prepare for these examinations.
You do not have to pass these examinations before you begin your flying lessons, but it is advisable to sit them progressively while learning to fly, as examination passes are required before you can fly solo cross-countries.
Air Navigation and Flight Planning
You will learn to calculate the distance of your planned flight, what compass heading you will need to fly, how long it will take you, and how much fuel you need to get there. You will also learn to use maps that are specifically designed for aviation.
Aircraft Technical Knowledge
Understanding how your aircraft flies, and its systems, enables you to make safe flying decisions. As a trainee pilot, you will learn about aerodynamics, engines, electrical systems, your flight instruments and loading your aircraft. Helicopter pilots and aeroplane pilots sit slightly different Aircraft Technical Knowledge exams.
Meteorology
The weather has a major bearing on your flying. Often flights will be cancelled or delayed because of the weather. You will learn about Malaysia’s weather patterns, about cloud formations, and about how different weather conditions affect the performance of your aircraft. With this knowledge, you will be able to develop decision-making skills essential to safe flying.
Human Factors
Human error is one of the most common causes of air accidents worldwide. It is, therefore, important to understand the human element in aviation. Areas of study include: aviation medicine and health, stress management, and decision-making.
Flight Radiotelephony
Pilots keep in contact with air traffic controllers, and with each other, by radio. As a trainee pilot, you will learn the terms and
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phrases pilots use to make these communications clear and free from misunderstanding. You will also learn how to operate your aircraft’s transponder and emergency locator beacon.
Law
Everyone in aviation follows the same set of standards when they are flying. These standards are set out in the Civil Aviation Regulations 1996. As a trainee pilot, you will develop a working knowledge of these rules.
License Issue
When you have gained your medical certificate, passed all your exams, have the required flying experience, and passed your flight test, you can apply to DCA for the issue of a PPL.

DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL AVIATION MALAYSIA
Think Ahead
Before gaining your PPL, it is important to plan your flying beyond the initial issue of your license. It is necessary to budget for sufficient funds that will allow you to fly often enough to remain both current and competent. Information on how to stay current can be found on page 19. Many very experienced pilots in Malaysia are content to fly simply for fun. To work as a pilot, you must hold a Commercial Pilot’s License.

老何大大
请问这些Cessna 机种有没有黑箱的呢?
我在猜想这飞机那么小因该没地方装置黑箱
（还是没必要？ ...
痞子_InCreDible 发表于 4-12-2010 01:41 PM

据我所知，Cessna 150没有黑箱的。C150是个很basic的飞机，里面只有刚刚好足够飞行用的东西，不会多不会少。
和ATC对话一般上是用英文，所以就会有个ICAO english test。
飞机里面机师之间的对话你要用什么文都可以，最重要对方听明白。

strongtree

老何大大
请问这些Cessna 机种有没有黑箱的呢?
我在猜想这飞机那么小因该没地方装置黑箱
（还是没必要？ ...
痞子_InCreDible 发表于 4-12-2010 01:41 PM

我帮老何回答一些关于你的疑问:

1.) 请问这些Cessna 机种有没有黑箱的呢?
- 就像 spoon兄说的, Cessna 150, 172这种单引擎飞机是没有放黑箱的. 不过如果你是讲 Cessna Citation Series 的私人商用飞机,就有黑箱在里面,法律上需要装.

2.) 一般上没黑箱的飞机，机师和ATC 的对话是记录在 ATC 哪里吗？
- 有些飞机,比如 Diamond DA-42(双 piston 引擎,没有黑箱),飞行仪器 Garmin 1000就可以记录 ATC和机师,机师和机师 前 30秒的对话.机师可以按 replay来听过去的对话.

3.) 一般上你们和ATC 的对话是以国际标准的英文对话吗？
-一般上是使用国际标准的英文, 加上国际航空语言,或者国际对讲机语言. 比如 : ABC123, 解读办法为 Alpha Bravo Charlie One Two Three....不是 Apple Bingo China...或者 Arrow Beijing China. 确定是叫 Affirm.要确定一些东西是叫 Confirm?
Contoh: 机师: KL Tower, AX123, confirm runway 32L?
            ATC: AX123, Affirm runway 32L.
还有很多很多 aviation term...

4.) 哈哈有时我在猜想当你和华人Captain 同飞一趟航班去台湾／上海时
不懂你们和这些地方的ATC 会用中文communication 吗？

-哈哈,在中国,如果机师和ATC都是中国来的话和了解华语,他们是用华语来communicate. 在日本,日本国的航空公司是用日语communicate. 老何可以告诉我们他在这方面的经验 ;p

5.) 黑箱的storage 是多大的呢？
一般上会记录哪些资料？
如果没法生什么＂事件＂ 这些资料会被overwrite 的吗？
还是公司有特别的部门把这些黑箱的资料backup 起来？
黑箱是在什么时候开始启动记录的呢？
你们机师普通的聊天谈话会记录在里面的吗？

-黑箱里有两种仪器,一个是 Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR), 一个是 Flight Data Recorder (FDR).
- CVR: 记录最近30分钟 cockpit 里的交谈,包括 ATC - Pilot, Pilot - ATC, Pilot - Pilot, Pilot to Cabin Annoucement 全部 cockpit 的 communication. (比如讨论课题, 谈天, 讲38的东西, 赞美空姐, 都会被记录下来的...). 第三十一分钟的交谈会overwrite 之前第一分钟的资料, 然后从新开始记录...所以有没有什么事,都会被 overwrite...

- FDR: 记录飞机飞行时的一切资料. 比如: airspeed, altitude, attitude (bank 多少度, pitch多少度), OAT (Outside Air Temperature), Cabin Temperature, 用什么flap,什么时候下 landing gear....等等. 记录 gate to gate资料.这个仪器的storage 可以记录25小时的资料. 公司会不会backup就不懂,需要老何来确定,哈哈.

以上的黑箱资料是普通和我各人所懂得资料. 世面上有其他黑箱可能有不一样的 storage,就比如在这网站提到的黑箱拥有不一样的 storage. "The memory boards have enough digital storage space to accommodate two hours of audio data for CVRs and 25 hours of flight data for FDRs."

<< http://electronics.howstuffworks ... gets/black-box2.htm >>

以上是我各人懂的资料.老何和 coldspoon "兄",如果有地方不对请补充和纠正

痞子_InCreDible

我帮老何回答一些关于你的疑问:

1.) 请问这些Cessna 机种有没有黑箱的呢?
- 就像 spoon兄说的, Ces ...
strongtree 发表于 4-12-2010 10:30 PM

    谢谢strongtree 兄解析的那么清楚
那个spoon 不是mm 来的吗?
之前老何说的

她怎么会懂得那么多呢?
她也是机师啊?

shinkai

痞子_InCreDible：目前PPL 的学费是35k，无需月费。只要您有class2 或class1的medical cert，没年龄限制。

cold_spoon：那里的老师满亲切，热心教导，尤其是Capt Siva，他对飞行严格，但可以从他身上学了好多东西。