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养燕生意2(swiftlet farming)
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发表于 26-6-2010 10:58 PM
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发表于 27-6-2010 07:56 AM
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回爱燕人
顾问们看到这些贴,真的要感汉钱难赚呀!有鸟来玩,被骂为何鸟没有全部都进屋!有燕粪被骂为何不是全部都有窝的!有燕窝也被骂为何这么少!
鸟粪已干不代表燕子已经离开,他们会转换几个地点后,才会稳定在一个位置。
这些补助品最重要是看是否需要?不可有别人有我也要有的心理。如果我是顾问,我干脆把半天雾,一袋鸟粪和一袋Amonia送给老板,放在办公室里当纪念品。免得被说要省钱。
对了,Bukit Sentosa的进展如何了?
回行动人
公会成立了吗?一定是很困难吧?我只是成立地方性的联络处也困难重重了。
“燕屋越简单越好。但有很多人不能接受。因为中毒太深了。” 非常同意这句话。挺你!
“用EM辟臭味”我同意。但是对引燕有帮助吗?适合新屋还是旧屋?请多多指教。
“同样的燕声在某个地方能引到很多燕子而在另一个地方切引不到”。这个不大同意。同种类的“金丝燕“叫声都是一样的。他们对同一首声音有不一样的反应是受到环境,气候,天气等因数的影响。燕子对引燕声在短时间里所作出的反应不能作准,必须长时间观察。
好师傅难求是因为他们都被人家说成“回印尼去了,联络不到了”。幸运的燕屋主都不肯分享他们的师傅。 |
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发表于 27-6-2010 12:35 PM
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发表于 27-6-2010 12:38 PM
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回复 1154# 爱燕人
他有没有说:
"养燕要有耐心,等一年才会看到,引燕大计是要用三五年时间,引燕要靠运气,人家对面有运气,你的运气不如人." |
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发表于 27-6-2010 12:39 PM
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回爱燕人
同样的燕声在某个地方能引到很多燕子而在另一个地方切引不到”。这个不大同意。同种类的“金丝燕“叫声都是一样的。他们对同一首声音有不一样的反应是受到环境,气候,天气等因数的影响。燕子对引燕声在短时间里所作出的反应不能作准,必须长时间观察。
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佳燕 发表于 27-6-2010 07:56 AM
我已经在进行研究,切实有这样的问题。如果研究有成。我会跟大家分享我的发现。
还有,也希望给位大大能进行一些研究。然后一起来分享经验。 |
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发表于 27-6-2010 12:45 PM
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回复 1154# 爱燕人
三个月才知道没有燕,浪费了90天的黄金时间,你还能再等重新三个月重复又三个月....?有人等了七个月,两年,三年都有. |
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发表于 27-6-2010 12:49 PM
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回复 1170# 行动人
看来你的引燕一定有好成秸了,多少年了?有几间了? |
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发表于 27-6-2010 02:27 PM
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回复 1172# abc4000
成功不敢讲,算是有小成。
目前有三间。最多收成的有平均一个月三公斤多。
养燕是长期的投资,经验要慢慢累计。也不是像大家想象那么简单。
成功的燕屋如果不会管理,到最后也会失败。
曾经在我的养燕区又一间十公斤以上的成功燕屋,因为疏忽和没有规划的管理到最后连一公斤都拿不到。 |
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发表于 27-6-2010 02:33 PM
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回爱燕人
“用EM辟臭味”我同意。但是对引燕有帮助吗?适合新屋还是旧屋?请多多指教。
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佳燕 发表于 27-6-2010 07:56 AM
非常有功效,尤其是“生梅”的燕板。
每次清洗燕粪过后,我都会喷上EM。效果真的看得到。最重要的是EM非常便宜。 |
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发表于 27-6-2010 04:56 PM
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In swiftlet world, you are the your own farm best sifu.
and you si kong is your swiftlets.
no short cut, no other ways.
nowadays, it is hard to find a successful new farm ( but thts from my own standard) different ppl, got different standard), not because we have forgotten about the old methods such as putting birdshits or methods used by indonesian.
trust me, indonesians in fact learned from malaysian keepers in farm designs. they might not admit it but we knew. so, don't worry that if indonesian sifu's all goes back to indonesia and now no one able to design a good farm.
A good farm design is just a very common sense design.
the design does not attract birds to stay, it encourage birds to stay ( read it twice..i said encourage n not attract....so, if your area has no birds,a good design will not make your farm successful. or yr area have very small qty of swiftlets that too will not make your farm successful and the most a good designed farm can becomes a slowed farm with 50 or 100 nests after 3 years.).
so, the key is find a good location (where it is also difficult to find one now...), then only you worry about the design.
so, how you going to design a good farm? visits as many farms as possible is the only way. or you read books written by established farmers ( and here, you can only find good books from indonesia, so far, local writers still very limited. but not all books from indonesia are good too, only a few writers).
i myself build my own farm by reading books from indonesia.
so, don't believe in what others said that only particular sifu's are good and others are bad.
there is no good sifu or bad sifu ( bad sifu does not include conman though, if sifu charge you RM100k to renovate and he half way runaway or he provides shoddy works. all those are basically conman sifu), as the ratio of success whether the farm is build by sifu or diy is the same which is 50/50. it used to be higher but due to the ever increasing birdfarms in malaysia and the ever reducing food sources to sustain the ever growing swiftlet population, we see the success rate getting lower and lower. this is no nobel prized idea as if one street got 10 burger stalls, of course, all stalls will see slow sales unlike one stall in one street!.
so, if you are still not comfortable in diy your own farm, i suggest you find a sifu to build it for you but...in one condition :
You will only paid him/her the renovation cost plus his salary for the ten days that he oversea the renovation works.
and when the farm have at least 50 nests, then you paid him the rest.
so, lets say he wants to quote you to renovate your shop into a farm, single storey about RM36k. so, the normal renovation cost plus profit from sifu is around RM20k.
so, when he is done with the work, you only paid him RM20k. when your farm have 50 nests, you paid him another rm16k.
and this is a win win situation where the sifu will not run away from you if the farm failed. and the owner does not loose out too as even if he diy also will cost rm20k to renovate. and the sifu can bet (again if you remember my 50/50 chances) on the farm, if success then get additional rm16k, if not, you have done your best).
but then you will have to check the total renovation works that the sifu do as he might short change you by doing less liked gives you less tonnage of planks, less qty of tweeters, not supplying you with good timers n etc. and all this you need to calculate.
that is from my 10 years experience in swiftlet keeping.
hope it helps.
hai...i must type mandarin lah!. sorry for disturbing you guys.
again, join any organisations that you are comfortable with whether it is bird's nest association or any local 商会, and get their support to help town keepers.
good weekend. |
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发表于 27-6-2010 09:18 PM
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非常有功效,尤其是“生梅”的燕板。
每次清洗燕粪过后,我都会喷上EM。效果真的看得到。最重要的是EM非 ...
行动人 发表于 27-6-2010 02:33 PM
尤其是“生梅”的燕板,如何使用???把em涂在“生梅”的燕板??要多少滴?多少次?thanks sharing |
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发表于 27-6-2010 10:23 PM
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发表于 28-6-2010 12:55 AM
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回复 1178# metroair
你超好命的说。。我的燕子很多在洞口上面飞。。但是进去住的很少。。。少到可怜。。我开声两个多月了。。悲哀,顾问不闻不问。。。即使问了。。也给不到解决方法。。我也是自己来的 |
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发表于 28-6-2010 09:33 AM
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回复 行动人
请问什么是EM??
kunga_1965 发表于 27-6-2010 10:23 PM
网上质料
EM(Effective Microorganism)是一种由光合细菌、放线菌、乳酸菌及发酵型丝状真菌等多种微生物培养而成的复合微生物制剂,具除粪臭、促生长、抗病、改善畜禽产品品质等作用。就是利用活細菌把骯髒物品“吃掉”。就如會發出難聞臭味的氨水(Ammonia),在細菌分解後就不再是原體,所以也就沒有像尿一般的臭味了。
个人看法
对消除生长在燕板的霉菌有效。燕子也不抗拒。至于对引燕有没帮助就得看大量使用过的人如行动人来详细解说了。 |
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发表于 28-6-2010 09:44 AM
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回复 1178# metroair
超级和metroair给我们看到了很好的例子。引燕人追求很多燕子来玩还是追求很多燕子入住并造窝?很多时候我们使用了看起来不是很吸引燕子的外声,也就是当时用时并没有出现千军万马的情况,但是几个月后,燕屋里的燕窝数量却悄悄的增加了。反观那些吸引很多燕子来游玩的燕屋,最后还是没有成绩。这些是值得引燕人深思的。 |
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发表于 28-6-2010 10:23 AM
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回复 1182# metroair
如果一却保持稳定,没有什么外来因数的改变,最重要是燕屋里的成绩有不断的进步,我认为不需要做任何的改变包过外声。 相信你的进度暂时可能不会这么快,但只要坚持保持燕屋的稳定,再过一些日子将会有很好的发展。
超级,你不妨要求metroair pm他的平面图给你参考(鸟路与进口),你就会发觉你的问题在那了。 |
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发表于 28-6-2010 10:38 AM
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回复 1175# chank
哗!Chank,未免太长了吧!不知站长有没问题。。。
地点固然重要,但是很多时候还有很多因数逼不得已。很多投资失败的店屋如没有用来改为燕屋也别无他法了。有些地方虽然不是热区,但是只要多些时间多些耐心和多些用心还是有希望的。 |
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发表于 28-6-2010 11:24 AM
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回复 1178# metroair
你的里面会多虫虫,壁虎吗?你怎么对付它们?你的店屋会有很热的感觉吗?30多度都行。真好。 |
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发表于 28-6-2010 12:05 PM
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回六月@雪,
那顾问是我大股东请的,是全国跑的sifu,有成功的纪录。工程开始时隔壁已有一间年半的燕屋,他取笑说那家的成绩不会好。一年后当我们只得十粒窝时,隔壁已经每月收成2kg。建在绝佳地点却成绩差是令我对那顾问不满的主要原因。我们把燕屋内部设计请教其他有经验的人,都说设计有问题,楼下不住鸟,楼上温度高。我们再跟那顾问谈,他叫我们另外付费给他,他会把设计弄好。我想他是真的有料的,只不过故意作不完美,要赚我们几次钱。
回佳燕,
我认为我顾问没尽责,因为连洋灰味也没除掉,屋顶隔热也没做好。有好多东西都是我们后来自己花钱再改作的,之后才看到窝不断增加。Bukit Sentosa 的计划暂时搁下,先储蓄多一笔钱。
回abc4000,
我当然知道养燕需时间等待,但是我认为我运气不错,能找到很好的地点,我只是运气差请了无良的顾问。 |
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发表于 28-6-2010 12:19 PM
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回六月@雪,
那顾问是我大股东请的,是全国跑的sifu,有成功的纪录。工程开始时隔壁已有一间年半的燕屋, ...
爱燕人 发表于 28-6-2010 12:05 PM
你跟我也蛮相似。。我也请了个没用的顾问,没责任感也没交代。。现在我选择自己来,确实看到有了点小小进展。。之前开声了一个多月,一滴燕粪都看不到的。。现在开始有了点。。还需要改进的,但是还是靠自己最实际,不能空等。。因为没人会比我们自己更了解及更在乎自己的燕屋 |
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