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讓我們重溫林神時的新聞. 很多人政府官員批准了立案圖, 工程安全就是CIVIL ENGINEER 和 ACHITECT 的事了; 這是對的.
這土崩案的關鍵在哪裡?立案圖被低級和其他官員REJECTED了, 事後卻有更高的政府官員超越先前的結論. 關鍵的始終就是遊url=home.php?mod=space&uid=280282]@final[/url] DECISION MAKER.
那麼就是說反腐化局就可以開檔辦事了....所以,這次林神和MAIN CON的人在劫難逃.
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The commission comprising Datuk Yeo Yang Poh, Datuk Dr Gue See Sew and Datuk Prof Roslan Hashim also recommended action against those deemed responsible for the two incidents.
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They also said that the submitting engineer who signed and submitted the engineering drawings was equally as responsible and that when the collapse occurred, the district officer had “totally ignored and abandoned his duties”.
During the incident, the structure’s fin wall, along with the lighting arrester, crashed to the ground during a freak storm, killing lorry co-driver Jahir Hussain Sulaiman and burying economy rice seller Lim Chin Aik deep beneath the road.
In their recommendations, the commission proposed that BEM take disciplinary action against the design and submitting engineers, and called for the the district officer be removed from office.
Read more at http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/commission-blames-human-error-for-umno-building-second-bridge-mishaps-in-pe#gHZHCpU5gaABovsB.99
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发表于 24-10-2017 01:04 AM
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发表于 24-10-2017 01:18 AM
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STREET, DRAINAGE AND BUILDING ACT 1974
ACT 133
PART V
BUILDINGS
70A. Earthworks.
(1) No person shall commence or carry out or permit to be commenced or carried out any earthworks without having first submitted to the local authority plans and specifications in respect of the earthworks and obtained the approval of the local authority thereto.
(2) Where the earthworks are to be commenced or carried out for the purpose of the construction of any building, street, drain, sewer, or embankment, or for the laying of any cable or pipe, or for the purpose of any other construction or work whatsoever, the plans and specifications relating to such construction or work required to be submitted under this Act or any by-laws made thereunder shall be submitted to the local authority at the same time as the plans and specifications in respect of the earthworks.
(3) In granting the approval under subsection (1) the local authority may impose such conditions as it deems fit.
(4) The local authority may, where it certifies that the safety of life or property is affected or is likely to be affected by any earthworks, order the immediate cessation of the whole or any part of the earthworks; the certificate of the local authority under this subsection shall be conclusive proof of the matters stated therein and shall not be questioned or be subject to any appeal or review in any court.
(5) Without prejudice to subsection (4), the local authority may, from time to time, give such directions as it deems fit in respect of any earthworks, and the same shall be complied with by the person to whom such directions are given, and where such directions are not complied with the local authority may order the cessation of the whole or any part of the earthworks.
(6) Notwithstanding subsections (4) and (5), the local authority may itself cause any work to be executed or any measure to be taken if it considers such work or measure necessary, and such work or measure may be in addition to or in place of anything required to be done under any direction or order given under subsection (4) or (5).
(7) Where cessation of the earthworks has been ordered under this section, the local authority may permit the resumption thereof subject to compliance with such directions or conditions as may be specified by the local authority.
假設1.這山邊的EARTHWORK是沒進市政府就開工. 那麼ENGINEER 就得坐牢.
假設2.政府官員是有收到圖了,也批準了. 那麼政府官員會被停止.
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发表于 24-10-2017 01:20 AM
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本帖最后由 khteoh2001 于 24-10-2017 01:22 AM 编辑
syncsw 发表于 24-10-2017 01:04 AM
我讲的没必要是non-compulsory的意思，你的理解力需要多加强。
就好像建LRT，如果陆路安全交通局发出recommendation说最好不要在繁忙的公路中间建，施工上没有margin of error
但lrt还是在繁忙的 ...
你还要兜？什么叫着“non-compulsory"? DOE已经清清楚楚说明了不批的理由了，这么重要的信息，你竟然说“non-compulsory"，你自己没脑，别以为别人也没脑。
我之前不是说了吗，即然你可以以“non-compulsory"来忽略DOE的报告，是不是以后也一律不用理会DOE？
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发表于 24-10-2017 01:24 AM
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发表于 24-10-2017 01:43 AM
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syncsw 发表于 24-10-2017 01:24 AM
我没说不用考虑DOE，我说考虑综合条件，理解力要加强ok。
这样好了，你拿出法令或procedure文件出来看，证明批准类似的工程需要DOE的approval。
如果有的话，就证明DOE的approval是compulsory的。:r ...
原来你就只有那个死脑筋，不会衡量当中的重要关系，看来你就是不明白为什么要成立DOE，所以你才会一直拿“non-compulsory”的鸡毛当令牌，我现在跟你讲的是DOE给你的环境报告讯息，你却直在DOE有没有权阻止里兜。那怕有一天医生说他不批你抽烟，你却一直说医生在法律上是没权阻止你的，还向医生要法律证明他是能阻止你的。 |
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发表于 24-10-2017 01:47 AM
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发表于 24-10-2017 01:56 AM
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所以你认为不理DOE的报告，坚持冒着那高的风险开工是对的？你抽不抽烟，那是你个人的问题，现在冒着环境破坏的风险就牵涉到公众的安危问题，难道你还要用“non-compulsory"来推搪？ |
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发表于 24-10-2017 01:58 AM
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我哪一句说不理DOE的报告？来。。
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:03 AM
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你一直都在以“non-compulsory"来推搪，为什么一句“non-compulsory"就可以不理会DOE给出的信息而去批准开工？
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:05 AM
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可以不要put words进我的嘴巴吗？
我哪一句说不理会DOE？
来。。不要怕。。来
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:16 AM
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即然你不是要漂白，那为什么要对号入座？我在问你一句，到底MPPP不理会DOE的报告是不是对的，如果你认为是对的，那不是漂白，是什么？如果你也认为是错的，那就不关你的事，你不是我攻击的对像。
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:21 AM
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你说铁粉在漂白，我身为铁粉，说几句话不可以咩？
DOE是不是对的，我不好说。我要说的是，MPPP认为承包商有办法mitigating construction risk，所以指示go ahead。只是承包商fail了duty of negligence
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:33 AM
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syncsw 发表于 24-10-2017 02:21 AM
你说铁粉在漂白，我身为铁粉，说几句话不可以咩？
DOE是不是对的，我不好说。我要说的是，MPPP认为承包商有办法mitigating construction risk，所以指示go ahead。只是承包商fail了duty of negligence :r ...
我本来就不是要针对你的，是你要跳出来对号入座。MPPP这次是不能逃避责任的了，因为他们并没有把DOE提供的那么重要信息放在心上，而去批了那工程。
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:35 AM
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syncsw 发表于 24-10-2017 02:21 AM
你说铁粉在漂白，我身为铁粉，说几句话不可以咩？
DOE是不是对的，我不好说。我要说的是，MPPP认为承包商有办法mitigating construction risk，所以指示go ahead。只是承包商fail了duty of negligence :r ...
要说！！还是槟城人幸运！！兴啊！！...
要那房子都建好了！！居民都搬进屋了！！..
那才叫悲剧........
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:37 AM
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:39 AM
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本帖最后由 syncsw 于 24-10-2017 02:41 AM 编辑
屋子建好的时候，山坡的retaining wall自然也建好了。
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本帖最后由 cct2050 于 24-10-2017 02:43 AM 编辑
声声的控诉
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:46 AM
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往长线一看！！...
我说的不就是个可能吗？？........
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发表于 24-10-2017 02:50 AM
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可能什么？
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