对莫耶斯的要求 【还需要多少时间？】

CRon7

Andriy_Vince 发表于 21-1-2014 01:34 PM
这就是教授的实力
In August 1996, Arsenal dismissed manager Bruce Rioch.[43] Although bookmakers m ...

从来没跌出前四，第二年就夺冠。他来之前几年又如何呢？是争冠队伍吗？

Andriy_Vince

筷子 发表于 21-1-2014 01:07 PM
我是想要表达。。。
最好的教练未必适合球队。。。
曼联只是在选最适合球队的教练。。。

当然明白会有很多专家。但专家不一定准，不然不会那么多专家在金融风暴跳楼。
而且我们只是平民论坛讨论讨论，应该无伤大雅吧？=)

nakata101

CRon7 发表于 21-1-2014 01:34 PM
老板能挨两个season没欧冠收入才讲，可能是好事。

曼联的老板只有一个，不是我们。 我们只能支持或不支持。  

Andriy_Vince

CRon7 发表于 21-1-2014 01:41 PM
从来没跌出前四，第二年就夺冠。他来之前几年又如何呢？是争冠队伍吗？

其实你可以去wikipedia找。

Nagoya Grampus Eight: 1995–1996

In January 1995, Wenger joined Japanese J. League team Nagoya Grampus Eight.[40] He hired former Valenciennes manager Boro Primorac, whom he had befriended in 1993, as his assistant.[41] Wenger fully supported the Bosnian manager when he gave evidence against Marseille over match fixing.[41] Primorac remained Wenger's right-hand man in later years and, as of 2012, still holds the position.

Wenger enjoyed a successful 18-month stint with the club, as Nagoya Grampus won the national cup competition, the Emperor's Cup, in his first season and he received the J. League Manager of the Yearaward in 1995.[42] In his final season, Nagoya Grampus finished runners-up in the league. This was the team's best position until 2010, when Wenger's former protégé Dragan Stojković led the club to its first title.[36]

中文。

Nancy and Monaco: 1984–1994

Wenger joined Ligue 2 (then called Division 2) club AS Cannes as assistant manager in 1983.[24] A year later, through the recommendation by Aldo Platini (father of Michel Platini) he became manager ofNancy, who participated in Ligue 1.[24] At the end of the 1984–85 season, his first as a manager, Nancy finished 12th in the league, three places higher than in the previous campaign.[25] However, the club ended the 1985–86 season in 18th position, which meant they had to win a play-off match to avoid relegation.[24] In Wenger's final season in charge, Nancy finished 19th and were relegated to Ligue 2.[24]Aldo defended the appointment of Wenger and stated, "It wasn't [his] fault. He had no money to spend".[24]

During his stay at Nancy, Wenger attracted the interest of fellow Ligue 1 club AS Monaco.[24] In favour of taking up a challenge in the south, he offered his resignation prior to the start of the 1986–87 season, only to be turned down by Nancy president Jacques Rousselot.[26] Following Nancy's relegation in 1987, Wenger was permitted to leave the club by mutual consent and join Monaco.[24]

Wenger identified several players to build his desired team.[26] Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Glenn Hoddle, granted a free transfer, and Patrick Battiston, out of contract at Bordeaux were signed.[26] StrikerMark Hateley left Milan to join Monaco and was "encouraged to learn" his fellow Englishman Hoddle would play in the same side as him.[27] Monaco won the league in Wenger's debut season, six points ahead of runners-up Bordeaux.[28] Although the team scored more goals in 1988–89 due to the purchase of Liberian striker George Weah, Monaco failed to retain the league and finished third behindOlympique de Marseille and Paris Saint-Germain.[29] The club reached the final of the Coupe de France, the national knockout cup competition in the same season, but lost 4–3 to Marseille.[30]

Monaco again finished third in 1989–90; striker Ramón Díaz scored 15 goals in his first season at the club.[31][32] The club beat league winners Marseille in the Coupe de France final through a last minute goal from substitute Gérald Passi.[30] In 1991–92, Monaco finished in second place and lost the 1992 European Cup Winners' Cup Final 2–0 to Werder Bremen.[33] Although Monaco acquired the services of German striker Jürgen Klinsmann, the club could not retain the championship and concluded the subsequent seasons in third and ninth positions.[34][35] Monaco did reach the semi-finals of the Champions League in April 1994, but lost to eventual winners Milan.[36] As a result of his work at Monaco, Wenger was sought after by German club Bayern Munich, who wanted him to be their next manager.[37] Monaco refused to let him leave and Wenger chose to stay, but a poor start to the 1994–95 season meant he was dismissed on 17 September 1994, with the team in 17th spot in the table.[38] In 2001, Wenger said that the impact of bribery and corruption had influenced his decision to leave France, as Marseille were found guilty of match fixing in 1994.[39]

CRon7

nakata101 发表于 21-1-2014 01:44 PM
曼联的老板只有一个，不是我们。 我们只能支持或不支持。

所以我选择支持曼联不支持moyes。

kcm0530

Moyes除了转会做得不好，其他的我都没什么意见，我认为最少也要给他1个赛季的时间，工厂都能接受wenger8年无冠了
这赛季就别指望什么了，如果下个赛季初还是这样的表现那他就可以走人了。。。

SAF把这群平庸的冠军班底包装的太美了。。。让很多球迷都一厢情愿的认为靠这样的班底前4不是问题
但如果单单以现在的阵容来比较大家认为曼联的阵容能排在前4？
换帅导致成绩不好是预料中事，而且上赛季后防容易被进球的问题在SAF这样精明的人都没办法掩盖了何况是Moyes。。。
除非有个石油爹才能把目前的伤害减到最小 (可是我们的老板是来讨债的)

我要说的是球员能力本身就存在着很多问题，全都是靠SAF在包装掩饰，只要SAF一不玩了问题就会一次性的浮上来，而且我相信经过半个赛季Moyes已经了解这些问题在正在想办反解决，如果现在换帅那么是不是又要给新帅半个赛季来重新了解，然后半个赛季做得不好又吵换帅，这样下去要换到什么时候才能真正把问题解决？

Andriy_Vince

坏小孩18 发表于 21-1-2014 01:18 PM
我看好曼市

夏季买了那么多好球员，夺冠也应该的，哈哈

不会很多。

100m而已，小意思。 =)

Players  Purchased	Fee
Season 13/14
Jesus Navas	￡22,900,000
Fernandinho	￡30,000,000
álvaro Negredo	￡20,600,000
Stevan Jovetic	￡25,800,000
Zacharias Faour	￡400,000
Martín Demichelis	￡3,500,000

不过说真的，至少他们看到impact. Navas, Fernandinho, Negredo 表现都很好。

比起Fellaini 27M >.<

现在看回去，当年Yaya 24M，这个买卖Impact/influence真的很大.

Andriy_Vince

kcm0530 发表于 21-1-2014 01:53 PM
Moyes除了转会做得不好，其他的我都没什么意见，我认为最少也要给他1个赛季的时间，工厂都能接受wenger8年无 ...

1. 基本上除了提拔SAF也想提拔的J44之外，我想不到Moyes有什么做到好 =)

Moyes除了转会做得不好，其他的我都没什么意见

2. 8年无冠，但每年前四，再加上欧冠也有曾经进决赛，再加上球迷知道是因为他没钱花（因为球场巨大负债）
工厂都能接受wenger8年无冠了

3. 冠军就是冠军，即使是烂船还有三根钉，更何况是上赛季冠军+最佳射手。即使我们知道缺点很多，但不足以成为他的借口。
而且钱/时间都给了他，但他买不到人，不要说是别人不要来。MC主教练和他差不多时间来但人家transfer做得很好。
SAF把这群平庸的冠军班底包装的太美了

４．同意，但一个赛季的过渡期已经很足够了，两个transfer market 还买不到人？
我要说的是球员能力本身就存在着很多问题，全都是靠SAF在包装掩饰，只要SAF一不玩了问题就会一次性的浮上来，而且我相信经过半个赛季Moyes已经了解这些问题在正在想办反解决，如果现在换帅那么是不是又要给新帅半个赛季来重新了解，然后半个赛季做得不好又吵换帅，这样下去要换到什么时候才能真正把问题解决？

@lex

kcm0530 发表于 21-1-2014 01:53 PM
Moyes除了转会做得不好，其他的我都没什么意见，我认为最少也要给他1个赛季的时间，工厂都能接受wenger8年无 ...

很多人忘了scholes退休前（第一次），giggs表现开始插水时我们的算是残阵了！！
从那时起就说要人replace keane的作用，接班scholes的人！！顶替giggs等等！！
其实到现在全都还没来，只是SAF用这手平庸的牌面赢了冠军！！
所以虽然是冠军阵容，但是没神人也不可expect太多！

坏小孩18

Andriy_Vince 发表于 21-1-2014 01:31 PM
就是因为WC要来了，夏季如果是好的球员， WC后肯定身价大涨，冬季也肯定持续高价。
所以现在是最好的时候 ...

我觉得赛季结束，世界杯前是最好的时刻
不然就现在买，赛季结束再加盟

现在能加盟肯定不是在现在球队非常出色的大牌球员

坏小孩18

Andriy_Vince 发表于 21-1-2014 01:32 PM
其实现在最缺少的，是像以前的Anderson,
or Yaya, Pogba, Strootman, 这种box-to-box player...

如果不买人，只好期待fellaini

坏小孩18

evolution 发表于 21-1-2014 01:33 PM
感谢答复。如果莫耶斯一冠都没有，又没有打欧冠的经验，那请他来干嘛？又说他是THE CHOSEN ONE? 难道是自 ...

那你该去问ferguosn或曼联高层了

曼联这么大的球会，竟然没有做足功课，请没有打欧冠经验的教练，这不负责的做法，伤了部分球迷的心啊。。。

坏小孩18

CRon7 发表于 21-1-2014 01:41 PM
从来没跌出前四，第二年就夺冠。他来之前几年又如何呢？是争冠队伍吗？

假设性的如果moyes像他这样，不懂10年后的你会怎样。
有时候该留点台给自己下的

Andriy_Vince

@lex 发表于 21-1-2014 02:57 PM
很多人忘了scholes退休前（第一次），giggs表现开始插水时我们的算是残阵了！！
从那时起就说要人replac ...

其实没有Expect很多。

前四＋适当的买入新人＋场面ｏｋ

Andriy_Vince

坏小孩18 发表于 21-1-2014 03:00 PM
我觉得赛季结束，世界杯前是最好的时刻
不然就现在买，赛季结束再加盟

那个时候很多球员备战ＷＣ，买不到了，因为很忙了　＝）

Andriy_Vince

坏小孩18 发表于 21-1-2014 03:02 PM
如果不买人，只好期待fellaini

Fellaini肯定能加强高度硬度，但是冲击力＋ box-to-box的速度／能力，他绝对没有。

CRon7

坏小孩18 发表于 21-1-2014 03:06 PM
假设性的如果moyes像他这样，不懂10年后的你会怎样。
有时候该留点台给自己下的

如果让人看到积极的部分看到希望，就算八年无冠，可是年年在争冠行列我都可以接受。

@lex

Andriy_Vince 发表于 21-1-2014 03:07 PM
其实没有Expect很多。

前四＋适当的买入新人＋场面ｏｋ

其实很多球迷都只是expect前4，我是之一，只是现在太烂才那么气
可是赛季是38场的，还没到最后都不知道排第几，所以我选择理智些，等到赛季末再评论他

极度幻想

只要对豪门不要全败我都ok的
只要前5我也ok的
只拿冠军杯我也感觉不错
只拿联赛杯勉强可以咯
暂时想到浆....

@lex

极度幻想 发表于 21-1-2014 03:22 PM
只要对豪门不要全败我都ok的
只要前5我也ok的
只拿冠军杯我也感觉不错

你注定失望了，记得万人签名要磨椰丝道歉