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 楼主| 发表于 18-6-2013 12:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
猜猜什么款预警机 ... 暗示明显

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detectivebinbin + 5 巴西Embraer R-99

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发表于 18-6-2013 12:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 18-6-2013 12:30 PM
猜猜什么款预警机 ... 暗示明显



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 楼主| 发表于 18-6-2013 01:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
话说Embraer R-99是不错的预警机, 使用成本也不高, 但是R99最大的弱点还是,续航力太短了, 才3000Km,只能在天空飞3.5小时,真是低效率, 非常不值得.. 新加坡G550 AEW (以色列系统)可以飞11小时, 买B737 AEW也有8小时续航力。
还是建议G550+Erieye 预警系统, 这样也有10小时吧。
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发表于 18-6-2013 02:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 18-6-2013 01:21 PM
话说Embraer R-99是不错的预警机, 使用成本也不高, 但是R99最大的弱点还是,续航力太短了, 才3000Km,只 ...

怎麼R-99原型機ERJ-145機體和Gulfstream G550應該屬同一級別,可是續航力竟然可以相差3倍之多?是不是ERJ-145較纖細的機體所能搭載的燃油不多,還是G550的發動機較有效率?
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 楼主| 发表于 18-6-2013 03:08 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 18-6-2013 02:37 PM
怎麼R-99原型機ERJ-145機體和Gulfstream G550應該屬同一級別,可是續航力竟然可以相差3倍之多?是不是ERJ ...

ERJ-145的载油量才5.1吨,设计是短程多乘客, 小型商用客机。 而Gulfstream 550是long range 商务私人飞机,载油量18吨左右. 2款不算同级,也不同设计方向,同级的只有Embardier Global私人飞机




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发表于 18-6-2013 03:27 PM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 18-6-2013 12:30 PM
猜猜什么款预警机 ... 暗示明显

DRB-HICOM在LIMA'13曾和瑞典SAAB AB公司,签署了工业合作谅解备忘录。DRB-HICOM是政联公司, 签署的任何协议或备忘录,都具有参考性。



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发表于 18-6-2013 03:58 PM | 显示全部楼层
這麼看來大馬未來不知是否會仿效印度空軍Su-30MKI + EMB-145 AEW&C + MMRCA而採購同樣機種的空中預警機和MRCA呢?看起來是有很大可能的,反正大馬已經擁有Su-30MKM了~
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 楼主| 发表于 18-6-2013 04:09 PM | 显示全部楼层
detectivebinbin 发表于 18-6-2013 03:58 PM
這麼看來大馬未來不知是否會仿效印度空軍Su-30MKI + EMB-145 AEW&C + MMRCA而採購同樣機種的空中預警機和MR ...

还有一点, 大马订购的A400M是有加油功能的。

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 楼主| 发表于 9-7-2013 12:04 AM | 显示全部楼层
只是法国媒体报道,别太认真..看看就好

France hopes to sell the Rafale to Malaysia
By CL, published 03/07/2013 at 20:08

In negotiations with India for the sale of one hundred Rafale, the government appears confident of reaching an agreement with Malaysia to the delivery of 18 aircraft.

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite ... laisie_1263554.html
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发表于 9-7-2013 12:18 AM | 显示全部楼层
風大浪高 发表于 18-6-2013 03:27 PM
DRB-HICOM在LIMA'13曾和瑞典SAAB AB公司,签署了工业合作谅解备忘录。DRB-HICOM是政联公司, 签署的任何协 ...


Ha Ha
DRB-HICOM是赛莫达的公司,几时变Sime Darby, TNB, Maybank那样的政联公司了?
你的政府是赛莫达???

本帖最后由 Boilwater 于 15-7-2013 03:49 PM 编辑

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 楼主| 发表于 9-7-2013 12:18 AM | 显示全部楼层
看看就好
http://www.reuters.com/article/2 ... USL6N0FD0K420130707

German air force bill for Eurofighters escalates-report

BERLIN, July 7 | Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:29am EDT
(Reuters) - The German air force's bill for an order of 180 Eurofighter jets is rising beyond the planned 14.7 billion euros, said a German magazine on Sunday.

Der Spiegel said the Luftwaffe now expected to have paid 14.5 billion euros by the end of this year for only 108 of the fighters and will pay 16.8 billion euros by 208 for 143 jets - paying more money for less fighters.

"It is correct that the cost of the Eurofighters is rising," said a ministry spokesman, but he declined to give details.

The Eurofighter multi-role Typhoon jet is manufactured by Airbus-owner EADS, Italy's Finmeccanica and Britain's BAE Systems. The manufacturers did not respond to a request for a comment on the report.

The new chief of the Eurofighter Typhoon said at the Paris Air Show last month that he will lay out plans this year to make the fighter cheaper in an increasingly competitive market.

The Eurofighter's main competitors include Lockheed Martin's F-35 jet, Dassault Aviation's Rafale fighter and the Gripen by Sweden's Saab
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 楼主| 发表于 9-7-2013 12:26 AM | 显示全部楼层
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waja2000 发表于 9-7-2013 12:04 AM
只是法国媒体报道,别太认真..看看就好

France hopes to sell the Rafale to Malaysia



S.Korea temporarily suspends $7.3 bln fighter jet biddingSEOUL, July 6

(Reuters) - South Korea has temporarily suspended bidding on a $7.3 billion (8.3 trillion won) fighter jet project four days after reopening applications because of high-priced offers from three aviation manufacturers, Yonhap news agency reported on Saturday.
South Korea opened bidding on June 18 to purchase 60 next-generation fighter jets between 2017 and 2021, but bidders offered prices above Seoul's budget for its largest-ever arms import deal.
South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) has received 55 separate price bids since the opening of tenders, Yonhap reported, citing DAPA officials.
Lockheed Martin Corp's F-35A, Boeing Co's F-15SE and EADS's Eurofighter Typhoon are in competition to win the fighter deal.
"There is a need to carefully check the bids placed so far before making a decision to move forward," said a DAPA official who declined to be identified, according to Yonhap.
The official also said the agency would decide soon whether to stop the bidding altogether or carry out additional bids for the project, known as F-X.



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 楼主| 发表于 9-7-2013 12:55 AM | 显示全部楼层
新闻看看一下.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernam ... itics.php?id=961811

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发表于 9-7-2013 01:22 AM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 9-7-2013 12:55 AM
新闻看看一下.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/po/newspolitics.php?id=961811

看看无妨~~

Malaysia is likely to be next up, with a shortlist of bidders for 24 aircraft, followed by UAE. BAE is the lead partner for the Eurofighter consortium on both bids and has particularly high hopes for the Gulf where he sees “potential for 150 aircraft in the Typhoon class”. That’s on top of the Saudi and Oman contracts, with the UAE, Kuwait and Qatar all looking at their fighter jet capability.



British Royal Air Force (RAF) Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft on mission to Libya
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发表于 9-7-2013 08:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 9-7-2013 12:55 AM
新闻看看一下.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/po/newspolitics.php?id=961811

新闻看看一下.
我国又一个回教兄弟locked in talk with Typhoon~~


UAE Air Force locked in Eurofighter talks
Awad Mustafa
Jul 9, 2013

ABU DHABI // UAE Air Force chiefs are this week meeting with a European defence consortium as part of a possible deal to buy 60 of their fighter jets.

Representatives from BAE Systems, Eads, Eurojet and MBDA, the companies behind the Eurofighter Typhoon, have been locked in discussions with Air Force officials this week.


http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/uae-air-force-locked-in-eurofighter-talks

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 楼主| 发表于 10-7-2013 09:19 AM | 显示全部楼层
Eurofighter’s Future

July 7/13: Germany. Der Spiegel takes a strafing run at the Eurofighter program in Germany, pointing out both its budget overruns, and citing recent documents that discuss safety and quality issues with the planes. Germany and the other Eurofighter partners are expected to make their Tranche 3B decisions sometime in 2014, so the articles feed into a live political debate as an election approaches.

On the budgetary front, the Bundestag approved EUR 14.7 billion for 180 fighters, but Der Spiegel says that EUR 14.5 billion has already been spent on just 108 machines. The current Bundeswehr estimate is reportedly EUR 16.8 billion for 143 fighters (Tranche 1 through 3A) by 2018, but unless our translation is wrong, the real cost might be as high as EUR 17.8 billion. That would average out to EUR 124.5 million/ $160 million per plane.

The 2nd issue involves quality control problems. An auditor from the Bundesamt fur Ausrustung, Informationstechnik und Nutzung der Bundeswehr (BAAINBw) in Koblenz cited the ejection seats as a fleet-wide problem area on April 18/13. Der Spiegel alleges that German quality control and inspections have suffered as a result of austerity measures and military “reforms,” but it isn’t the first time this has been cited as an issue. In August 2010, an RSAF Lt. Col. and member of the Saudi Royal family was killed in a 2-seat Typhoon crash near Moron, Spain, when his parachute separated from the harness. His Spanish counterpart ejected safely. The accident led the RAF to modify  its fleet’s ejection seat harnesses. Der Spiegel  re: budgets [in German] | Der Spiegel  re: reliability [in German] | Reuters .
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/eurofighters-eur-9b-miltinational-tranche-3a-contract-05674/



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发表于 10-7-2013 08:01 PM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 10-7-2013 09:19 AM
Eurofighter’s Future

July 7/13: Germany. Der Spiegel takes a strafing run at the Eurofighter pro ...


最少没有某战机的技术受限问题~~




RECORD EXERCISE FOR RAF TYPHOON JETS

10 JULY 2013


Over the past two weeks a total of 265 sorties have been flown on six days in Exercise Android Preference.

Availability of aircraft

One of the main aims of the Typhoon Availability Service and ATTAC (Availability Transformation Tornado Aircraft Contract)TAS and ATTAC contracts is to ensure the RAF has the maximum amount of aircraft available. Working in partnership with the RAF, our colleagues on both these contracts contributed towards ensuring such a large scale training mission could take place.

Qualified Weapons Instructor Course

Exercise Android Preference, which concluded at RAF Coningsby on 5 July, forms part of the Qualified Weapons Instructor (QWI) course regarded as the pinnacle qualification for RAF aircrew, as RAF Coningsby Station Commander, Gp Capt Johnny Stringer, explained:

“The QWI courses are where we fuse the physical, moral and conceptual components of air fighting power at the tactical level. We’re taking our brightest and best and making them the most capable and aware tactical operators they can be. What Android Preference allows us to do is not only to prepare them for the QWI operational phase, but also to expose them to some of the wider and higher-level considerations and consequences of their tactical appreciation, planning and subsequent execution.”

A real operational feel

The exercise designer, Flight Lieutenant Andrew Tidmarsh, said:

“For the first time we’ve executed missions involving the entire Typhoon Force which, along with other Force Elements, gives a real operational feel. The exercise challenges the whole spectrum of what Typhoon can do as a platform; not only fighting air-to-air, but also finding, fixing and prosecuting targets on the ground.

“Being fully swing role the Typhoon is able to fight its way to the target and then fight its way out again. This places a high training demand on the pilots who have to be extremely capable in the air-to-air role and the air-to-surface role and be able to make timely tactical decisions to enable them to fulfil both in a high threat environment.”

Largest training mission for Typhoon

In the first week of the Exercise the single largest training mission Typhoon has ever undertaken as one complete Force was executed. A total of 22 Typhoons from five different squadrons took part in a Combat Search and Rescue scenario that also included Tornado GR4s, USAF F-15 Eagles and Danish F16s, as well as Support and Attack Helicopters. Tactical air control and command was provided by an E-3D Sentry from RAF Waddington and 1 Air Control Centre (1 ACC), which deployed to RAF Coningsby from their home station at RAF Scampton.

Gp Capt Stringer explained: “The key involvement of 1 Air Control Centre and E-3 Sentry underlines the importance of air command and control, as well as ISTAR, to the effective employment of modern combat air power. We’re also delighted and very grateful to have had the excellent support from the Support Helicopter and Tornado GR4 Forces, 100 Squadron, the Army Air Corps and our USAF and Danish colleagues.”

Challenging roles

This variety and scope of exercise participants presented its own challenge for mission planning and execution in addition to an excellent opportunity for training large and diverse packages of aircraft. Each QWI student took it in turns to act as a Mission Commander, a challenging role which requires individual tactical prowess and wider integration in order to succeed.

Flt Lt Tidmarsh added: “At one point there was a 16 versus 20 air-to-air fight concurrent with ground serials including Air Interdiction, Close Air Support and Dynamic Targeting. I can’t remember in my career the whole force attempting one Defensive Counter Air mission that lasted an entire day.”

http://www.baesystems.com/article/BAES_159834/record-exercise-for-raf-typhoon-jets?_afrLoop=1117584368056000&_afrWindowMode=0&_afrWindowId=null&baeSessionId=SNgLRdLcS2NpKbs83jF3XbJrymhLQS9QSJZ1WC1NHb5Sdm5CjgfW!-2088867116#%40%3F_afrWindowId%3Dnull%26baeSessionId%3DSNgLRdLcS2NpKbs83jF3XbJrymhLQS9QSJZ1WC1NHb5Sdm5CjgfW%2521-2088867116%26_afrLoop%3D1117584368056000%26_afrWindowMode%3D0%26_adf.ctrl-state%3D8gm96gw64_4

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发表于 10-7-2013 08:10 PM | 显示全部楼层
waja2000 发表于 10-7-2013 09:19 AM
Eurofighter’s Future

July 7/13: Germany. Der Spiegel takes a strafing run at the Eurofighter pro ...

按服役的数量来比较坠毁的比例,猜看看那一款的失事机率较大?


利比亚订购在即 法“阵风”战斗机关键时刻坠毁
飞行员丧生
2007年12月10日
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2007-12/10/content_7225107.htm
http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2007-12-11/1028475996.html

法国海军两架“阵风”战斗机在地中海坠毁
法国海军找到失事阵风战机残骸与飞行员遗体
2009-09-25
http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2009-09/25/content_12108268.htm
http://war.163.com/09/1002/11/5KK9E2HS00011MTO.html

法国一架“阵风”战机在巴基斯坦附近海域坠毁
2010年11月30日
http://mil.sohu.com/20101130/n278011169.shtml

利比亚用中国高射炮击落法军战机

2011-10-26

http://www.jeixun.com/article/201110/82.html

据利比亚官方电视台报道,侵略利比亚领空的法国一架战机被利比亚防空部队击落坠入地中海



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 楼主| 发表于 10-7-2013 08:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
消息真是高兴Rafale....gogogo ...
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