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发表于 24-12-2010 08:06 AM
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这里是健身区，所以一切都是以健身人士的计算方式为标准
SkyDriver 发表于 23-12-2010 10:10 PM 
谢谢你的质料。 |
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发表于 28-12-2010 06:03 PM
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回复 5# SkyDriver
吃太多蛋白质会短寿吗？
What's wrong with eating too full?Don't over eat and don't encourage your family members and friends to overeat - unless you wish to shorten their healthy living and perhaps die younger!
An interesting article about eating too full....
In Today's Dr Lee Newsletter Issue:
"What's wrong with eating too full?"
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"The more you eat, the sooner you die. The lesser you eat, the longer you live." This is what Dr Lee always says in his health talk. He also mentions, "Eating too full causes all sort of health problems such as hypertension, diabetes, stroke, etc."
Why eating too full is so harmful to your health? What can you do about it?
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Mice experiment
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To see how eating habit affects life span, a professor from University of Texas did an experiment on mice.
For the first group of 100 mice, he let them eat without any restriction, just like a buffet meal.
The second group was fed only 60% full. And the third group was given food without restriction too. But this time, he reduced protein content to half. After 2.5 years, guess how many mice were still alive out of 100?
* First group (eat without restriction) - only 13 mice was alive. Opsss...
* Second group (eat 60% full) - 97 mice was still alive. Only 3 mice died.
* Third group (eat without restriction with protein cut half) - 50 mice still alive.
What can we learn from these results?
Firstly, eating too full is really harmful to your body. Secondly, eat 60% full if you want to live longer and healthier. Thirdly, taking too much protein is harmful to your body too. We don't need so much protein after all. |
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发表于 28-12-2010 07:40 PM
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发表于 28-12-2010 07:52 PM
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回复 SkyDriver
吃太多蛋白质会短寿吗？
What's wrong with eating too full?Don't over eat an ...
junchiang 发表于 28-12-2010 06:03 PM 
个人意见...
此研究是针对普通人所作的测试...
白老鼠会短命因为它们没有足够workout...自然也不需要那么多蛋白质...
如果一个人...真的很拼命健身...balls to the walls他会是比正常人需要比较多的蛋白质的...
而物极必反...只要健身的人摄取的蛋白质不要过量就好了...
以最常用的算法...
1g-1.5g / lbs (lean body weight) 也就是减去bodyfat%后的重量...
因为多余的蛋白质不会让一个人长更多的肌肉,而是脂肪... |
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发表于 28-12-2010 08:12 PM
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发表于 28-12-2010 08:26 PM
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个人意见...
此研究是针对普通人所作的测试...
白老鼠会短命因为它们没有足够workout...自然 ...
KaySea 发表于 28-12-2010 07:52 PM 
 +1 无论是什么只要卡路里过于身体需要就会变成脂肪储存
其实之前好像看过一篇protein的myth，好像只有certain diseases才会有这样的case
忘记save起来，不过凡事物极必反
{:3_84:} |
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发表于 28-12-2010 08:30 PM
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回复 SkyDriver
吃太多蛋白质会短寿吗？
What's wrong with eating too full?Don't over eat an ...
junchiang 发表于 28-12-2010 06:03 PM 
你的文章谈到的是吃太饱，完全没有提到蛋白质 (如果我没看错） |
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发表于 29-12-2010 08:48 AM
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回复 12# SkyDriver
* First group (eat without restriction) - only 13 mice was alive. Opsss...
* Second group (eat 60% full) - 97 mice was still alive. Only 3 mice died.
* Third group (eat without restriction with protein cut half) - 50 mice still alive.
如果吃的蛋白质减半有五十只会存活～ |
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发表于 29-12-2010 07:09 PM
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回复 SkyDriver
如果吃的蛋白质减半有五十只会存活～
junchiang 发表于 29-12-2010 08:48 AM
这些老鼠有workout吗？ |
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发表于 29-12-2010 07:40 PM
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这些老鼠有workout吗？
SkyDriver 发表于 29-12-2010 07:09 PM
之前看过老鼠bench press的影片！ |
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发表于 30-12-2010 08:34 AM
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发表于 30-12-2010 11:18 AM
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本帖最后由 spazeman 于 30-12-2010 11:38 AM 编辑
让我来说说大家不想听的话。
有workout 的人肌肉虽然发达， 但是 心脏，肾，肝脏 还是承受不住过量的食物， 食物不是用肌肉来消化的， 一定要内脏处理， 肾脏也不会因为肌肉发达而变得 double size. 要是真的会 double size, 会有什么后果？ 看看越大只的人做 cardio 不是用跑的， 因为他们走路心脏跳动就已经 70% 了，一个心脏 pump 不起 250 lbs 的血液，所以要加速。
要吃多少食物真的没人知道， 健美运动是近世纪 70 年代盛行， 当白老鼠的就是我们， 并没先前病例可参考， 而且逐步迈向商业化， 就算然后研究到对身体有坏， 蛋白质公司送点钱给科学家又乱发表无害论， 大家继续的吃， 他们继续的赚钱。 看看牛奶产品今天还在市场存在就知道。
肾脏坏了的健美运动员有 Dennis Newman, Mike Francois, Don Long, Flex Wheeler, Tom Prince and Mike Matarazzo。
至于他们是用类固醇还是蛋白质弄坏， 就不晓得。 |
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发表于 30-12-2010 09:05 PM
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要吃到蛋白质份量超标也不是一件容易的事
当然身体也要定期检查 |
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发表于 31-12-2010 09:22 AM
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想问下，如果不吃太多的蛋白质，就很普通的饭菜，去健身，肌肉会长吗？我知道答案会比较慢。
另一个问题，喝蛋白粉，虽然知道需要多少来补充，但是医生告诉我，其实身体吸收的是很少，可能才几个%，其余都是浪费的，而且增加kidney帮你排出体外的负担。真的吗？有报告可以参考吗？ |
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本帖最后由 天浪星-简 于 31-12-2010 10:28 AM 编辑
想问下，如果不吃太多的蛋白质，就很普通的饭菜，去健身，肌肉会长吗？我知道答案会比较慢。
另一个问题 ...
kong1125 发表于 31-12-2010 09:22 AM
体质和训练站了很重要的要素，
体质如果是长期以低蛋白作为饮食的话，
它本身早已经调整了适合它的一套分配营养的方法，
除非是身体出了状况，
突然饮食大量的蛋白就会出现不适和排斥................
而长期饮食大量蛋白的身体，
身体也会因为这样而改变了以蛋白为主要代谢的模式，
突然的低蛋白也会出现头昏没力的状态
而训练如果不是属于强烈破裂细胞，
身体也是会一样把蛋白转化去肝或其他内脏储藏 |
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发表于 27-7-2012 10:59 PM
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Protein 的和坏处
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请问谁可以告诉我吃Protein的坏处有哪些吗？ 比如吃了，练了，可是最后停止，会有什么后果？还有哪些要注意? 谢谢各位的意见！！！ |
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没滥用／过量是没问题的。若是担心的话就靠纯食物来摄取protein 吧 |
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到了一定的重量后，就可以停止那么多蛋白质了，到时，运动后喝少量蛋白，足够修补、维持，就可以了。
我打算那样。
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