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发表于 26-2-2018 11:27 PM
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意思是说不要搞什么基础的建设
卖油有钱进就好了 ?
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发表于 26-2-2018 11:37 PM
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傻的,基建哪里要出钱,问谁要做,给他30年的营运权,30年后又是政府的。如果马来西亚想通了,找中国来建mrt,然后给她30年营运权,包证一分钱都不用出,就可以有MRT,高铁,光纤网络,先进国指日可待。 |
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发表于 27-2-2018 12:09 AM
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发表于 27-2-2018 12:14 AM
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马国官员不同意,说要由垃圾桶朋党公司经营运营权。光纤网络你就别想了,TM垄断光纤结果怎样?还不是kxnnxsxi 。
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发表于 27-2-2018 05:24 AM
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langsat8 发表于 26-2-2018 11:37 PM
傻的,基建哪里要出钱,问谁要做,给他30年的营运权,30年后又是政府的。如果马来西亚想通了,找中国来建mrt,然后给她30年营运权,包证一分钱都不用出,就可以有MRT,高铁,光纤网络,先进国指日可待。
基建的钱, 有些(如铁路)是没有办法回本的。
营运时能不亏已经是万幸了。
(补充:举例新加坡的Thomson-East Coast Line (TEL),全长约43公里,31个地下站,预计建造费得要240亿新币。 我记得smrt最赚钱的时候,1年净利还不到1.5亿,就算每一年都这么赚,保守估计(不包括利息,通膨等因素)也要超过160年才能回本。 )
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发表于 27-2-2018 10:30 AM
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kcchiew 发表于 27-2-2018 05:24 AM
基建的钱, 有些(如铁路)是没有办法回本的。
营运时能不亏已经是万幸了。
(补充:举例新加坡的Thomson-East Coast Line (TEL),全长约43公里,31个地下站,预计建造费得要240亿新币。 我记得smrt最赚钱的时 ...
那是因为新加波政府压低票价,虽然对人民好,可是加重负担,因该让公司自己决定票价,适者生存,如果卖太贵,没人用,太便宜,亏本。马来西亚的南北大道照理由应该由政府收回了,就是政府一直压低票价,用延长营运权来换取票价不涨,所以酱久了,还是私人的。
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发表于 27-2-2018 11:05 AM
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新加坡政府建mrt的目的不在于赚钱,是在解决交通问题
一个没天然资源的国家,就得靠人力资源来赚钱。
新加坡靠密集度来增加收入,MRT和光纤网络以低价格收费却可以赚钱。
马来西亚在这方面肯定办不到,到处都是排屋,从角头走到尾都要走几公里,MRT站也不可能做在每一家门口。
星加坡光纤从东拉到西,应该也只是21公里,人工材料都少,可是用户却很多。单单柔佛都比新加坡大好几倍,可是人口密集度却少到太可怜。要挨家挨户去拉光纤,和hdb比起,相对价钱就高出许多了。柔佛用的人少,材料成本和人工都贵。(人工不是指薪水,是新加坡小用一个月可以搞定,马来西亚大需要用到半年才搞定)
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发表于 27-2-2018 12:42 PM
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新加波政府有钱,马来西亚政府没钱,没钱又要有好的基建,那最好的办法就是让私人界做,至于要不要赚钱,赚多少,由市场决定。毕竟如果价钱太贵,就没人用,太便宜则亏本,所以市场会自己决定价钱,这就是市场经济的好处。
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发表于 28-2-2018 03:23 AM
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学中共改宪法
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发表于 28-2-2018 03:31 AM
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借钱过日子,钱在马捞裤袋里啊
Singapore's Government debt accounted for 112.2 % of the country's Nominal GDP in Dec 2017, compared with the ratio of 108.2 % in the previous year. Singapore's government debt to GDP ratio data is updated yearly, available from Dec 1965 to Dec 2017. The data reached an all-time high of 112.2 % in Dec 2017 and a record low of 19.4 % in Dec 1965. CEIC calculates Government Debt as % of Nominal GDP from annual Government Debt and annual Nominal GDP. The Department of Statistics provides Government Debt in local currency. The Ministry of Trade and Industry provides Nominal GDP in local currency. Singapore's National Government Debt reached 370.8 USD bn in Dec 2017. The country's Nominal GDP reached 84.6 USD bn in Dec 2017.
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发表于 28-2-2018 06:39 AM
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Cinabaku 发表于 28-2-2018 03:23 AM
学中共改宪法
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Cinabaku 发表于 28-2-2018 03:31 AM
借钱过日子,钱在马捞裤袋里啊
Singapore's Government debt accounted for 112.2 % of the country's Nominal GDP in Dec 2017, compared with the ratio of 108.2 % in the previous year ...
新加坡政府所谓的借钱,到目前为止,是这样的:
https://www.mof.gov.sg/Portals/0/feature%20articles/PDR_2016.pdf
(严格来说,新加坡政府已经有超过20年是零负债的)
Singapore Government’s borrowing is fiscally sustainable. This can be partly attributed to the following features:
Borrowings are not for spending. Securities are issued for reasons unrelated to the Government’s fiscal needs. Singapore Government Securities (SGS) are issued to develop the domestic debt market, Special Singapore Government Securities (SSGS) are issued specifically to meet the investment needs of the Central Provident Fund Board and Singapore Saving Bonds (SSB) are issued to provide individual investors with a long term saving option.
Borrowing proceeds are invested and the investment returns are more than sufficient to cover the debt serving costs.
The Singapore Government has a strong balance sheet that has assets well in excess of its liabilities. Singapore has consistently achieved the top credit ratings of AAA from the 3 main credit rating agencies. Additionally in the Q12016 BlackRock Sovereign Risk Index report, Singapore ranked 2nd in terms of credit worthiness as they recognize our net asset position, rather than gross debt levels. (能拿AAA stable的国家,全世界不超过11个)
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发表于 28-2-2018 09:53 AM
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发表于 28-2-2018 09:55 PM
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老王卖瓜。。。
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