答案在5楼，士古来，到底是抓幽灵，还是阻选票？ （面子书的真假）

NWW

magnumao 发表于 8-5-2013 04:27 PM
SPR規定一間saluran不能超過700名選民
一般上都是500-600人
開票計票如果順利的話一般7點多左右就會結束 ...

所以结论就是还是有做假咯。哎。。。

我很专一2

一个人说可能是假的，如果超过100人见证整个流程呢？

如果计票是当场计算，那么SPR 长期以来都误导人民，这是一场诈骗。我们首头族或许不清楚程序。但是有很多人经历很多次大选，反对党也作了那么多年的反对党，他们有可能不知道吗？

我很专一2

magnumao 发表于 8-5-2013 04:27 PM
SPR規定一間saluran不能超過700名選民
一般上都是500-600人
開票計票如果順利的話一般7點多左右就會結束 ...

開票計票如果順利的話一般7點多左右就會結束
這也是為什麼7點左右就會有很多unofficial result滿天飛

可是，事实上是成绩可以计算到凌晨3点。东马一早就计算晚了，西马却那么久。

willonsk

magnumao 发表于 8-5-2013 04:27 PM
SPR規定一間saluran不能超過700名選民
一般上都是500-600人
開票計票如果順利的話一般7點多左右就會結束 ...

3. KTM擅自篡改Borang 14，交上去的Borang 14跟候選人收到的不一樣！ (黃德遇到的就是醬的情況)

这个情况真是 先斩后奏
坐在里面的候选人也不在现场点票，borang 14怎么写，他们完全不知道是否正确
而且真的点票的过程算是封闭式的，有人就会有问题
SPR的程序让人不得不怀疑有人做假

那天和做检票员的朋友聊到，如果当下有人用金钱利诱你，你有办法抗拒吗？
100千？200千？300千？国家的未来？
很多人应该会选择 多我一箱不多，少我一箱不少的念头闪过吧？

雷霸

我很专一2 发表于 8-5-2013 06:05 PM
可是，事实上是成绩可以计算到凌晨3点。东马一早就计算晚了，西马却那么久。

有些课室是花了3个小时多算到8点多的
如果有人要求重算，真的会算到11点多的
而且有些ktm是第一次，不知道程序是怎样，我就看到一个ktm算好票过后一直打电话问
有些投票站可能距离总计票中心比较远一些，所以收到ktm的borang14成绩会比较晚了

magnumao

傳說中的Borang 14

nick1231

不能怪人民不理智的阻止送票的人进去，大家都认为这是还没算的票。。看看报章的报道

（昔加末國席的第一箱選票在昨午6時40分開始送抵計票中心昔加末鑽禧紀念堂，並展開計票工作。雙方的票數非常接近，不時出現互相反超的情況。
不過，在晚上近10時左右，華裔佔多數的票箱幾乎已經開完，而本屆大選中最大的票倉，同時也是國陣鐵票的巴隆地磨墾殖區尚有一個票箱尚未計算，當時蘇巴馬廉領先逾千張多數票。在此情況下，蘇巴馬廉在當時已經算是脫離危險區。）
http://news.sinchew.com.my/topic/node/382734?tid=1061

是记者表达错误或是到底哪个方法才是正确的。。如记者指的是在计票中心算borang14，那怎会有这句（巴隆地磨墾殖區尚有一個票箱尚未計算），这句是明指票还没算，到了计票中心才开箱计算。

那是不代表有的在投票那里就算票了，有的却送到总部才算票？如记者都不懂，大众不懂有何奇怪呢？？

skydog

nick1231 发表于 9-5-2013 09:48 AM
不能怪人民不理智的阻止送票的人进去，大家都认为这是还没算的票。。看看报章的报道

（昔加末國席的第一 ...

我想就是因为这样乱七八糟的状况才能创造奇迹呀....

所以SPR必须彻底改变....

skyship

或许他们真的送假票进去（吉祥叔的国席是由MPJBT算）

不然就是送算好的票进去，送的也太慢了。

不过，这肯定是争议 的taxi，

狗爸爸，有类似的新闻吗（BN的解释）

skydog

skyship 发表于 9-5-2013 02:14 PM
或许他们真的送假票进去（吉祥叔的国席是由MPJBT算）

不然就是送算好的票进去，送的也太慢了。

没有叻。现在只有槟城的光华比较敢写，这里的中国报有时真的也跟新洲一样的....

假票是一定有的。他们当晚最主要的是保护国席，继续执政中央。而且我想只有计算国席时，需要到特定的地方去算票。有谁能够确认？真的是姑奶奶的，难道就没有一个sop来做这样重要的事吗？

至于州席，我的一位表嫂，这样说，当天他们做pacaba时，阻止了很多可疑的kancil要把东西运（可能是运假票）进去。还有一个很恐怖的事，当天ktm带来了一万张票，而他们那里只有三千个选民，选民投诉选票肮脏，ketua ktm还不允许换，所以可想他们的预谋是什么。六点多左右他们全部的房间都已经计票完毕，只有一间在那里没人出来，而且在那里又耗了一小时多。他们出来后问那个里面pr代表，那个代表说其实早就算完了，他们在里面嘻嘻哈哈讲话玩手机，一直不肯出来。从她那里得来的消息我以此来推论，他们的伎俩是：全部人出来了，就留一间拖时间，因为在拖时间时可以计算已经出来的总得票是多少，然后传输给外面的人，外面的人负责收集数据，根据投票率然后计算可能做的票，然后行动。

这样的伎俩在国席的计算过程中也是一样，这就可以解释了为什么计算到8到九点时，全国的国席票数（除了砂劳越稳赢的国席被公布外）被计算到八八九九时都停了，然后10多后就看到ufo选票到处乱飞，所以10点到11点后进计票中心的车都是极度可疑的。

还有一个今早在rpk那里看到的是，一开始bn那群混账就要计算着在ge13里面把华人当成带罪羔羊来尝试巩固自己未来的实力（rpk一早就预测bn会继续执政）。所以你看华人票多的地方如北干那那，州议席是反对党胜，国席是那帮混球胜。如此类推的话，也解开了我心中一直纳闷的一件事：投票率都没能高到无法做更多一点票来巩固2/3国会议席（可能是pr拿下的那些超过1/3国席和其他的州席的投票率超高以及majority超高导致他们不能做太多，但这需要详细数据来巩固这个假设），他们继续可以得到2/3以上的多数议席（也可能是我写在前面另一个刮胡里的理由导致他们不能胜出）。

好了如果这一切的逻辑都能成立的话，那么就对应我之前提出的解决方法的可行性。

如有错误，请马上开始乱乱插，我也想知道他们在玩什么数字游戏以及他们的卑鄙计划是什么。

skydog

雷霸 发表于 9-5-2013 09:32 AM
有些课室是花了3个小时多算到8点多的
如果有人要求重算，真的会算到11点多的
而且有些ktm是第一次，不知 ...

听到那个ktm对话些什么吗?

skydog

magnumao 发表于 8-5-2013 04:27 PM
SPR規定一間saluran不能超過700名選民
一般上都是500-600人
開票計票如果順利的話一般7點多左右就會結束 ...

第一个状况是用来拖延时间，以便计算做票的可能性与票数。

第二和第三的目的就只有一个，要那个地方赢，但是没有其它办法了。

黄德那里的投票率是多少?

skydog

willonsk 发表于 8-5-2013 09:17 PM
3. KTM擅自篡改Borang 14，交上去的Borang 14跟候選人收到的不一樣！ (黃德遇到的就是醬的情況)[/backcol ...

是我安排 ketua ktm的话，我会放一个一百巴仙已经拿我钱会做事的人，而不是要受诱惑或不要受诱惑的人。

大地之子G.O.B

magnumao 发表于 8-5-2013 04:27 PM
SPR規定一間saluran不能超過700名選民
一般上都是500-600人
開票計票如果順利的話一般7點多左右就會結束 ...

为什么你会知道这些？

行者孙

就让往事都随烟都随烟去了！

UBAH的路还遥远~~~~

skydog

在我们还初级地讨论这些时，anwar已经铺好路了....

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mt ... h-of-may-5th-part-3
What Najib did not suspect was that some other Barisan Nasional leaders from Sabah and Sarawak wanted to follow Lajim Ukin and Wilfred Bumburing when they crossed over. However, Anwar told them to stay put in Barisan Nasional and contest the general election under the ruling party banner and then cross over after the general election.

THE CORRIDORS OF POWER

Raja Petra Kamarudin

You may love Anwar Ibrahim or you may hate him. But one thing you must not do is to underestimate him. That would be a big mistake if you were a ‘struggling’ Prime Minister like Najib Tun Razak.

Anwar knew that if Najib could not do better than Tun Abdullah Ahmad Badawi in the March 2008 general election then Najib would be in deep shit. Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad would cut off his balls and nail it to the wall. (And Dr Mahathir is sharpening his knife even as you read this).

So that was Anwar’s first aim. Even if you cannot take over the government just make sure that Najib does not get more than 140 parliamentary seats. And Najib did not do better than what Pak Lah did in March 2008. In fact, he did worse -- he won seven parliamentary seats less than in 2008.

So now Najib is facing so much internal problems with Dr Mahathir breathing down his neck he no longer has any time or energy to worry about Anwar or about what Anwar is up to.

And that works fine for Anwar as far as he is concerned. He can now distract Najib even further with his road shows that started last night in Kelana Jaya -- which means Najib now has two major battles to fight.

Do you think Anwar can walk in to Putrajaya by organising rallies and road shows? Do you think the Election Commission will call for fresh elections just because Anwar says they must?

If you believe that then you are sillier than I first thought. The Election Commission has just told Anwar to go screw himself. But that is not a problem because that is not Anwar’s real game plan. His real game plan is to ‘steal’ the government through crossovers -- just like Barisan Nasional ‘stole’ it through election fraud.

What Najib did not suspect was that some other Barisan Nasional leaders from Sabah and Sarawak wanted to follow Lajim Ukin and Wilfred Bumburing when they crossed over. However, Anwar told them to stay put in Barisan Nasional and contest the general election under the ruling party banner and then cross over after the general election.

Many may have been puzzled as to why Pakatan Rakyat created such a mess in Sabah and Sarawak. Even a political novice knows that you need Sabah and Sarawak to march in to Putrajaya since these two East Malaysian states control 25% of the seats in parliament.

Sabah and Sarawak will always control 25% of the seats even if they have only 10% of the nation’s population. That is what was decided in the Malaysian Agreement. (Hence the one-man-one-vote system cannot work in Malaysia because then Sabah and Sarawak can never have 25% of the seats in parliament).

Anyway, Anwar is not as stupid as you may think. It may appear like he messed up in Sabah and Sarawak. Actually he was not interested to win Sabah and Sarawak through the ballot box because he knew that would be very difficult to do and you would be wasting a lot of time and money while achieving very little.

Hence he just made a token effort in Sabah and Sarawak and did not worry too much about how many seats he would win. After all, he was not going to win that many anyway, other than the ones that DAP won in the predominantly Chinese constituencies.

Of course he wanted Sabah and Sarawak. But he wanted them not through the elections. He wanted them after the elections once he knows how many seats he can win in West Malaysia and how more seats he needs to be able to form the federal government.

So now, while the entire nation is focusing on the rallies that are going to be organised all over the country, Anwar is secretly negotiating with the Barisan Nasional Members of Parliament from Sabah and Sarawak.

Pakatan Rakyat needs at least 23 more parliamentary seats to form the federal government. 25 would be better. Then Pakatan Rakyat would have six more seats than Barisan Nasional.

Anwar’s ‘war room’ masterminds are Dr Rahim Ghouse, Saifuddin Nasution, Johari Abdul and Azmin Ali. These are the people hatching all the plots and planning the strategies. They were also the masterminds behind the Free Anwar Campaign, which I headed from 2000 to 2004. So I have personally worked with them since more than ten years ago and I know how they do things and what makes them tick.

So all of you who wish to scream and shout in the stadium rallies please continue to do so. I know it is great fun because we too used to do all this back in the old days. But do not expect anything great from that other than just having a good time.

Those rallies are not going to allow Anwar to walk in to Putrajaya because no new elections are going to be called. Even the Election Petitions are not going to achieve much unless you have strong evidence of fraud -- and you do not.

All the ‘evidence’ of election fraud is mere hearsay and rumours. There were no extra ballot boxes. Hell, there were no blackouts as well. So how do you win your court cases based purely on gut feel?

Sabah and Sarawak know they are now the Kingmakers. If they stay with Barisan Nasional then Anwar is screwed. If they jump then Najib is screwed. But before they make the decision whether to stay or to jump, they want to know what’s in it for them.

Can they get extra federal cabinet posts? One Deputy Prime Minister’s post maybe? Can they see an increase in oil royalty from 5% to 20%? Can they get more autonomy like what the 18- and 20-Point Agreements promised them?

So the horse-trading is now going on. Anwar is making his offers and Najib will have to counter-offer something better. So we may yet see Anwar become the new Prime Minister if Najib cannot better Anwar’s offer and the Members of Parliament from Sabah and Sarawak cross over.

In the meantime, while all this is going on, Najib has Dr Mahathir to worry about while Anwar has to try to pacify Azmin to make sure he does not jump if he is not made the Menteri Besar of Selangor. If not then Anwar might as well abandon the negotiations because the crossovers from Sabah and Sarawak will be neutralised by Azmin and gang once they declare themselves ‘independents’.

Sigh….and you want me to enter politics? You must be crazy! Why would I want to suffer all this aggravation and anxiety?  

lapa1978

skydog 发表于 10-5-2013 12:43 PM
在我们还初级地讨论这些时，anwar已经铺好路了....

http://www.malaysia-today.net/mtcolumns/56630-in- ...

啊摸  看不懂可以翻译吗。。。。

skydog

lapa1978 发表于 13-5-2013 12:14 AM
啊摸  看不懂可以翻译吗。。。。

同一面的下面有华语翻译....