信仰治疗

JowY

cikmekyee 发表于 16-5-2013 09:32 PM
天主教的信仰治疗都由圣神同祷会团体主办的比较多。
治疗过程有按手祷告、抹膏油等等。
这时受傅者会大 ...

只要不害人，只要不刮财，接不接受就看个人选择了。

cikmekyee

JowY 发表于 16-5-2013 11:09 PM
只要不害人，只要不刮财，接不接受就看个人选择了。

不可收受<贿赂>，

因为<贿赂>能使智慧人的眼变瞎，

也能使义人的话颠倒过来。 - 申16:19 -

JowY

前面提到的美国夫妇被正式提控误杀了，罪成最高刑罚是40年监禁。
Philadelphia faith-healing parents charged in death of baby
教会、牧师等等没有受到对付

更新：

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... th/comment-page-16/

“Herbert’s a father like anyone else. He’s hurt and he’s mourning the death of his son,” said Bobby Hoof, Herbert Schaible’s attorney. “He’s not snubbing his nose at the court. He’s incarcerated because of his faith.”

Mythri Jayaraman, Catherine Schaible's attorney, called her a "completely devoted mother."
“The charges suggest a level of callousness that doesn’t fit who Catherine is,” Jayaraman said.

虽然说是这对夫妇害了他们的两个孩子，但从另一个角度来看，难道他们不会伤心吗？他们不也是受害与教会和牧师的教导吗？

“When this happened the first time around, the Schaibles had every reason to believe that, because of their faith, they had done nothing wrong,” Lerner said. “I know they’re not ‘sophisticated criminals’ … but the circumstances have changed.”

According to Children's Healthcare Is a Legal Duty (CHILD), a nonprofit child advocacy group, at least 30 children have died since 1971 in Pennsylvania as a result of a parent's refusal to seek medical treatment because of their belief in faith healing.

“It’s a terrible conflict for these parents. They love their children and can see their child suffering,” said Rita Swan, president of CHILD. “If the laws were clearer, many of these parents would be relived of the pressure

For members of faith-healing sects, it is common to believe that sickness is a result of unresolved sin or lack of faith, said Anthea Butler, a professor of religious studies at the University of Pennsylvania.


Faith-healing sects often interpret the Bible literally, citing, for example, Psalm 103: “Bless the Lord, O my soul … Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases.”

JowY

著名的非洲信仰治疗牧师 TB Joshua 惹祸了，又害死人。
Celebrity pastor under fire after worshippers die in rush for 'holy water'
非洲的信仰治疗风气已经失控了。

JowY

信仰治疗解说？

JowY

Faith leaders across England in 'HIV healing' claims
24 September 2012
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19656649

Dangerous cases of faith leaders who tell people with HIV to stop taking their life-saving drugs have been identified by African-led community groups in a number of locations across England.

Seven groups said there were instances of people being told by faith leaders they had been "healed" through prayer - and then pressured to stop taking antiretroviral medication, according to the charity African Health Policy Network (AHPN).

Cases were reported to have taken place in Finsbury Park, Tottenham, and Woolwich, in London, as well as in Manchester, Leeds and at a number of churches across the North West.

Last year, BBC London identified three people with HIV who died after they stopped taking antiretroviral drugs on the advice of their Evangelical Christian pastors.

AHPN, which tackles health inequalities for Africans living in the UK, called on the government to do more to prevent faith leaders encouraging people with HIV to stop taking their drugs.

"The government, the department of health, and local authorities are not doing enough to respond to this," said Jacqueline Stevenson, AHPN's head of policy.

Multiple cases              

A Department of Health spokesman said: "Prayer is not a substitute for HIV treatment and we would be very concerned if people are not taking their medication on the advice of faith leaders."

AHPN said the cases reported to it by community groups showed:
  

• Most respondents were aware of more than one case of faith healing claims and pressure to stop taking medication. One member was aware of five cases
• Many followers believed the testimony of pastors who claimed they could heal them
• The majority of cases reported involved Evangelical or Pentecostal Christian pastors
• In some cases treatment has been restarted, in others the health and mental health of clients has declined.
  

Although community groups said they were aware of multiple cases, the members who reported being exposed to faith healers were unwilling to name the churches involved.
AHPN's Ms Stevenson said: "People were reluctant to name the churches and pastors." <<帮凶

Cancer 'cure'

Last year AHPN said it believed the Synagogue Church Of All Nations (SCOAN), which has UK headquarters in Southwark, south London, may be one of those involved in such practices.
      
Synagogue Church Of All Nations says: "Never a disease God cannot cure."  

The church is headed by Pastor T B Joshua, who the Forbes richlist named as Nigeria's third richest clergyman.

SCOAN's website, which was set up in Lagos, Nigeria, now shows videos of people the church claims have been "cured" of HIV through prayer.

One video shows a woman Agnes Agnote visiting the church in Nigeria saying: "I am HIV positive. I went to the hospital and they confirmed it was HIV/Aids."

The video then shows Pastor Joshua blessing her, saying "everyone is healed".

It goes on to show Ms Agnote apparently showing a more recent medical report, with a narrator saying, "it clearly states that Agnes tested negative to HIV Aids".

Videos on the website also depict people being cured of  "cancers" and "disabilities".

'Anointing sticker' tour            

The church's British website now gives accounts of people reporting to be healed from conditions including arthritis and a lung blood clot after being a sprayed with "anointing water" by SCOAN in the UK.

It promotes a monthly "anointing water prayer line" in London "for any health issues" and advertises an "anointing sticker" tour of the UK and Ireland, which begins on Monday.

Last year, when asked by the BBC if it claimed its pastors could cure HIV, SCOAN responded: "We are not the healer. God is the healer. Never a sickness God cannot heal. Never a disease God cannot cure."<< 赚了钱，杀了人，把全部责任推给上帝。

But it added: "We don't ask people to stop taking medication. Doctors treat - God heals." 放屁

Ms Stevenson warned: "Often faith groups and churches spring up and nobody really knows they are there or what they are doing."

"There needs to be investment in taking some action at national and local levels to address this issue."

She added that AHPN wanted to see faith groups and churches "having the same responsibility in terms of safeguarding and respecting individuals as any other organisation would be expected to have".

But AHPN warned that criminal sanctions would not be an appropriate solution and would risk "pushing the problem underground".

"We call for local authorities to work with faith groups and ensure these negative messages are not put out."

The Department of Communities and Local Government refused to respond to these comments.

But the Department of Health said faith organisations "can make a positive contribution to raising awareness of HIV" by "highlighting the benefits of testing and effective antiretroviral treatment".

cikmekyee

喜乐的心乃是良药，忧伤的灵使骨枯干。

JowY

cikmekyee 发表于 5-6-2013 09:53 PM
喜乐的心乃是良药，忧伤的灵使骨枯干。

好图啊。喜乐和忧伤，天堂和地狱，天是和恶魔，都是一线之隔啊。。

cikmekyee

JowY 发表于 6-6-2013 06:31 PM
好图啊。喜乐和忧伤，天堂和地狱，天是和恶魔，都是一线之隔啊。。

是的，都是同一个东西，只是从不同方向看就有截然不同的效果，
喜乐和忧伤就在你的掌握之中。

JowY

cikmekyee 发表于 6-6-2013 08:57 PM
是的，都是同一个东西，只是从不同方向看就有截然不同的效果，
喜乐和忧伤就在你的掌握之中。

这个有时候真的很难。。虽然知道还是很难。。活下来我已经很感恩了。
所以信仰治疗还是有它一定的作用的，科学的说法是placebo effect，让人心情好点，不过必须在不放弃医疗的前提下。。
最近又看到阿拉伯联合酋长国的新闻了。。
他们的国会议员建议在医院设信仰治疗的部门，让病人在接受医生治疗的同时，可以寻求宗教司的精神鼓励，帮忙祷告。
这样方便病人，鼓励病人到医院求医，也可以让一切在政府的监管下进行，以杜绝各种害人不浅的 underground 信仰治疗活动。。
这个建议我个人觉得真的很好，可惜被拒绝了。。
我们这里的信仰治疗情况也很糟糕，太多 underground 了，以前在医院，医生也是常常叹气，遇到病人完全放弃医疗转向信仰治疗又无能为力。。
希望我们的政府能够考虑这样的建议

freeman_long

cikmekyee 发表于 5-6-2013 09:53 PM
喜乐的心乃是良药，忧伤的灵使骨枯干。

是的，喜樂乃是良葯。

freeman_long

cikmekyee 发表于 5-6-2013 09:53 PM
喜乐的心乃是良药，忧伤的灵使骨枯干。

最大的就是愛（林前13:13）

以愛為旗（歌2:04）

耶和華的話臨到我說：“你去向耶穌撒冷人的耳中喊叫說，耶和華如此說：“你幼年的恩愛，婚姻的愛情，你怎樣在曠野，在未曾耕種之地跟隨我，我都記得。”（耶利米書2：1-2）

以色列人一出埃及，就與神開始了婚姻的愛情。我讀這段聖經的時候就想到：“造你的是你的丈夫”（賽54：5），神看見以色列人出埃及，過了紅海，祂說： “我所愛的出來了，出來了，他們不再活在埃及為奴之家。”神的愛情就發動了，神要引導他們，要保抱他們， “我如鷹將你們背在翅膀上，帶來歸我。”（出19：4）要把他們帶到迦南美地。“迦南美地”，在新約就是講到在基督裡一切的豐盛。

shengwei95

所谓的信仰治疗是圣经辅导之类的吧？
据我所知，这种辅导学很抗拒心理学和精神病学的理论。

JowY

shengwei95 发表于 7-6-2013 04:51 PM
所谓的信仰治疗是圣经辅导之类的吧？
据我所知，这种辅导学很抗拒心理学和精神病学的理论。

精神病的只是很小部分罢了
信仰治疗通常宣称 圣经/可兰经/其他任何宗教经典 说 上帝/其他宗教承认的神 能够以医治任何疾病
进行的方式很多种，有些教会只是教人生病要祷告，给人信心康复，有些牧师说他能够带领你祷告，然后上帝会给你神迹，医治任何病和先天残缺（通常不是免费的），最严重的就是鼓励/明文禁止教徒寻求任何医疗，不能吃药，只能祷告。

想看的话，今晚明晚都有啊。

freeman_long

JowY 发表于 7-6-2013 05:39 PM
精神病的只是很小部分罢了
信仰治疗通常宣称 圣经/可兰经/其他任何宗教经典 说 上帝/其他宗教承认的神 能够以医治任何疾病
进行的方式很多种，有些教会只是教人生病要祷告，给人信心康复，有些牧师说他能够带领你祷告，然后上帝会给你神迹，医治任何病和先天残缺（通常不是免费的），最严重的就是鼓励/明文禁止教徒寻求任何医疗，不能吃药，只能祷告。

想看的话，今晚明晚都有啊。

身體的疾病需要醫生－－這是主耶穌親口說的。（太9:12，可2:17，路5:31）

主耶穌的確是大醫生，且是更大的醫生－－祂能醫治我們裡面的病（心病）－－這種病並不是人所能醫治的。
例如，
我們不能愛，祂卻能醫治我們，叫我們有愛；
我們憑自己不能有平安，祂卻能賜我們平安，且是超越人所能理解的平安。

cikmekyee

freeman_long 发表于 7-6-2013 10:47 AM
最大的就是愛（林前13:13）

以愛為旗（歌2:04）

对了最大的就是愛，所以爱能治疗一切，不是说方言或按手治病的，那些都无效（不是来自神的）。
因为圣经说这有限的在宗徒时代就结束了，现在剩下的就只有爱。

哥林多前书：
12:30  岂 都 是 得 恩 赐 医 病 的 麽 。 岂 都 是 说 方 言 的 麽 。 岂 都 是 翻 方 言 的 麽 。  
12:31  你 们 要 切 切 的 求 那 更 大 的 恩 赐 ， 我 现 今 把 最 妙 的 道 指 示 你 们 。


13:8  爱 是 永 不 止 息 。 先 知 讲 道 之 能 ， 终 必 归 于 无 有 。 说 方 言 之 能 ， 终 必 停 止 ， 知 识 也 终 必 归 于 无 有 。  
13:10  等 那 完 全 的 来 到 ， 这 有 限 的 必 归 于 无 有 了 。
13:13  如 今 常 存 的 有 信 ， 有 望 ， 有 爱 ， 这 三 样 ， 其 中 最 大 的 是 爱 。

cikmekyee

JowY 发表于 7-6-2013 08:27 AM
这个有时候真的很难。。虽然知道还是很难。。活下来我已经很感恩了。
所以信仰治疗还是有它一定的作用的 ...

参考一下36楼，信仰治疗已经无效了，我们有的是爱，
方法是为有需要的人代祷（祷告），不是治疗。

freeman_long

cikmekyee 发表于 7-6-2013 10:31 PM
参考一下36楼，信仰治疗已经无效了，我们有的是爱，
方法是为有需要的人代祷（祷告），不是治疗。

所有神所賜給我們的諸恩賜中，最大的乃是在愛裡申言（在愛裡作先知說話），為的是把這位基督的所是、所作，都說到聽見的人裡面，叫聽見的人被這位基督所充滿、所構成。這就好像一個精明的管家，把主人家裡的豐富，按時分給家裡需要的人那樣，好叫他們能在生命裡長大，（使教會得著建造/造就。）當有一天他們在生命裡長大成熟的時候，主基督這新郎就要到來迎娶他們（教會）作祂的新婦，這個世代就要終結，並帶進主基督永遠掌權的時代。

因此，我們必須與主配合，好使我們在生命上快快長大，以致達到成熟，這樣，主基督的再臨就指日可待；不然，我們若不肯與祂合作，我們在生命上就不會有多少的長大，就要延遲祂的再臨了。如今，所有的受造之物都一同在嘆息，都在巴望著我們這班人可以快快長大成熟，好催促主的再臨，這樣，牠們就能因著我們而脫離虛空、奴役、和敗壞，得享神兒女之榮耀的自由。（羅8:20～22）到了這天，所有的恩賜都要成為過去，我們就要與主基督一同作王，並作祭司事奉祂，直到永永遠遠。

cikmekyee

freeman_long 发表于 8-6-2013 02:45 AM
所有神所賜給我們的諸恩賜中，最大的乃是在愛裡申言（在愛裡作先知說話），為的是把這位基督的所是、所作 ...

是的，我们要努力，不要做基督里的婴孩。

「林前3：1-2」：＂弟兄们，我从前对你们说话，不能把你们当作属灵的，只得把你们当作属肉体，在基督里为婴孩的。我是用奶喂你们，没有用饭喂你们，那时你们不能吃，就是如今还是不能。＂

总司令

freeman_long 发表于 8-6-2013 02:45 AM
人被這位基督所充滿、所構成

請問聖經根據？

freeman_long 发表于 8-6-2013 02:45 AM
我們在生命上快快長大，以致達到成熟，這樣，主基督的再臨就指日可待；不然，我們若不肯與祂合作，我們在生命上就不會有多少的長大，就要延遲祂的再臨了。如今，所有的受造之物都一同在嘆息，都在巴望著我們這班人可以快快長大成熟，好催促主的再臨

一、請問如何知道你們的成不成熟會影響基督的再臨？
二、你們被這位基督所充滿，也就是說基督已在地上，那麽請問將來從天再臨的基督又是哪位？