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长线投资者,该你们入场了!!!

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发表于 12-10-2008 11:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 江百虎 于 12-10-2008 07:37 PM 发表
那么爱进场就勇敢的进场吧。。。

年线没有开始拐头向上偶是绝对不会进场的。。。

對付熊的招,你這招是相當有用的。
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发表于 12-10-2008 11:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/27137494

Those With Sense of A History Say It's Time to Invest
Topics:Wealth | Personal Finance | Investment Strategy
Companieshesapeake Energy Corp | Boeing Co | Goldman Sachs Group Inc | Newell Rubbermaid Inc | General ElectricBy Alex Berenson The New York Times | 11 Oct 2008 | 10:11 PM ET Text Size The four most dangerous words for investors are: This time is different.

In 1999, technology companies with no earnings or sales were valued at billions of dollars. But this time was different, investors told themselves. The Internet could not be missed at any price.


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They were wrong. In 2000 and 2001 technology stocks plunged, erasing trillions of dollars in wealth.

Now investors have again convinced themselves that this time is different, that the credit crisis will push economies worldwide into the deepest recession since the Depression. Fear runs even deeper today than greed did a decade ago.

But in their panic, investors are ignoring 60 years of history. Since the Depression, governments have become far more aggressive about intervening when credit markets seize up or economies struggle. And those interventions have generally succeeded. The recessions since World War II, while hardly easy, have been far less painful than the Depression.



Now some veteran investors, including G. Kenneth Heebner, a mutual fund manager who has one of the best long-term track records on Wall Street, say that the sell-off has gone much too far and stocks are poised to rally powerfully if the downturn is less severe than investors fear.

“The fact is, there are a lot of tremendous bargains out there,” said Mr. Heebner, who manages about $10 billion in several mutual funds. Indeed, by many measures stocks are as cheap as they have been in the last 25 years.

He pointed to Chesapeake Energy [CHK  16.52    -1.19  (-6.72%)   ], a natural gas producer that he owns in his CGM Focus mutual fund. In July, Chesapeake traded for $63 a share. On Friday, it fell as low as $11.99.

He says that investors with a stomach for risk and a long time horizon should consider following Warren E. Buffett, who in the last three weeks has invested $8 billion in Goldman Sachs

[GS  88.80    -12.55  (-12.38%)   ] and General Electric [GE  21.50    2.49  (+13.1%)   ].


Mr. Heebner expects world economies to contract over the next year. But he said the market plunge in the last week was no longer being driven by rational analysis. Stocks are probably falling because of a combination of panic and forced selling by hedge funds that must meet margin calls from their lenders, he said.

Mr. Heebner’s funds have not avoided the carnage this year. The CGM Focus fund is down about 42 percent so far in 2008. But his long-term track record is impressive. In the decade that ended Dec. 31, 2007, CGM Focus rose 26 percent a year, including reinvested dividends, making it among the best-performing mutual funds.

  
Mr. Heebner is not alone in his optimism.

“I think in years to come — I wouldn’t say months to come — we will perceive this as being a great value-buying opportunity,” said David P. Stowell, a finance professor at Northwestern and a former managing director at JPMorgan Chase. “Two and three years from now, it will seem very smart.”

Even before their jaw-dropping plunge of the last month, stocks were not expensive by historical standards, based on fundamentals like earnings and cash flow. Now, after falling 30 percent or more since early September, stocks in stalwart, profitable corporations like Nokia [NOK  15.73    -0.47  (-2.9%)   ], Exxon Mobil [XOM  62.36    -5.64  (-8.29%)   ] and Boeing [BA  41.80    -2.61  (-5.88%)   ] are trading at nine times their annual profits per share or less. Many smaller companies are even cheaper. Some of those stocks are trading at five times earnings or less.

Those ratios are historically low. Over all, the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index is trading at about 13 times its expected profits for 2009, its lowest level in decades. In contrast, at the height of the technology bubble in early 2000, the stocks in the S.& P. traded at about 30 times earnings, the highest level ever. At the same time, the 10-year Treasury bond paid about 6 percent interest, compared with less than 4 percent today.

Investors have fled stocks in favor of government bonds, insured bank deposits and other low-risk investments because they are deeply afraid of the worldwide economic crisis, said Stephen Haber, an economic historian and senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. But he said he believed that fear might have gone too far.

“If there is good and wise policy, and government moves effectively, this need not play itself out in ways like the Great Depression, which is the image that is playing itself out in people’s mind,” Mr. Haber said. Government action typically does not work immediately, and banking crises around the world often require multiple interventions, he said.

Still, optimists remain in the minority on Wall Street. Most investors seem to believe that the credit crisis will do substantial damage to stocks and overall economic activity.

“We have never before seen for such sustained periods of time such a sustained turn away from risk taking,” said Steven Wieting, the chief United States economist for Citigroup. “This has broken out of the boundaries we’ve seen.” Economic activity appears to have slowed sharply in September, Mr. Wieting said.

The panic last week took the biggest toll on financial companies, as well as companies that are highly leveraged. But stocks fell 10 to 30 percent even for companies typically thought to be resistant to economic downturns, like the manufacturers of consumer staples.

For example, Newell Rubbermaid [NWL  12.82    -0.01  (-0.08%)   ] fell to $12.82 on Friday from $17.34 on Oct. 1, a 26 percent decline in 10 days. Newell Rubbermaid now trades at its lowest levels since 1990, and just eight times its expected earnings for next year.

Yet Newell Rubbermaid, whose brands include Calphalon, is profitable and insulated from the credit crisis, said William G. Schmitz Jr., who follows household products companies for Deutsche Bank. “There’s really no balance sheet risk,” Mr. Schmitz said. The company also pays a 6 percent dividend.

Newell Rubbermaid said in July that it would earn $1.40 to $1.60 a share for 2008, excluding restructuring charges. For 2009, stock analysts predict it will make $1.53 a share. And while a slowing economy may mean that people will be buying fewer products from Newell Rubbermaid, the recent plunge in oil prices will reduce its costs, Mr. Schmitz said.

“The way the stock’s reacted, you’d think they were going out of business,” he said.

Martin J. Whitman, a professional investor for more than 50 years, said that as long as economies worldwide could avoid an outright depression, stocks were amazingly cheap. Mr. Whitman manages the $6 billion Third Avenue Value fund, which returned 10.2 percent annually for the 15 years that ended Sept. 30, almost two percentage points a year better than the S.& P. 500 index. The fund is down 46 percent this year.

“This is the opportunity of a lifetime,” Mr. Whitman said. “The most important securities are being given away.”

Copyright © 2008 The New York Times
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发表于 12-10-2008 11:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 江百虎 于 12-10-2008 19:55 发表


ioicorp 和 KNM 也好不到那里去。。。


和做油棕有关的朋友聊起IOI,以目前的油棕价计算,油棕股都是亏,越大的亏越多,骨牌效应一起,谁也没有扶盘的功力。

今天收到sms,劝我明年才进场。
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发表于 12-10-2008 11:33 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 1# kftham 的帖子

好!严重支持帮忙解套。
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发表于 12-10-2008 11:38 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 24# 都市人 的帖子

房产大亨也来了。看来股市还有吸引力。
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发表于 12-10-2008 11:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 kftham 于 12-10-2008 08:03 PM 发表
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大部份股票投资者,都有一种错误的想法:那就是在股市中不断地把股票买来卖出,赚取价差,是最好的赚钱法。实际上,这样做,能赚大钱的人并不多。

虽然没有人做过研究,也无法以 ...



我绝对赞成这个说法,在股市里能赚大钱的人占少数,也就是因为很多人都不了解长期持有那种复利的成果。
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发表于 12-10-2008 11:48 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 27# 勇115 的帖子

我也是举脚赞成的。要进场的话等明年吧,有排跌呢。。
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发表于 12-10-2008 11:52 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 28# dellprecision 的帖子

越来越多网友悲观了,好事来的。。。
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发表于 12-10-2008 11:55 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 29# ss24 的帖子

明天肯定大事不妙
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发表于 13-10-2008 12:02 AM | 显示全部楼层

回复 30# dellprecision 的帖子

为什么会大事不妙
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发表于 13-10-2008 12:04 AM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 ss24 于 12-10-2008 11:52 PM 发表
越来越多网友悲观了,好事来的。。。

難道你想反向。
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发表于 13-10-2008 12:05 AM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 -CLEMENT- 于 13-10-2008 12:02 AM 发表
为什么会大事不妙

因為你吃手指。
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发表于 13-10-2008 12:10 AM | 显示全部楼层
为什么每个人都这样悲观咧。。 难道各国的政府都任由它们的股市继续下跌,不会想办法救市的咩?
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发表于 13-10-2008 12:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 -CLEMENT- 于 13-10-2008 12:02 AM 发表
为什么会大事不妙


我隔壁家的小狗叫股神,今天已经死了。所以明天大事不妙。
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发表于 13-10-2008 12:15 AM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 勇115 于 13-10-2008 12:10 AM 发表
为什么每个人都这样悲观咧。。 难道各国的政府都任由它们的股市继续下跌,不会想办法救市的咩?


事情已经到了各国精英抓破头皮都找不到最好的方法的地步了....
要用最后一招了.....
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发表于 13-10-2008 12:21 AM | 显示全部楼层

回复 34# 勇115 的帖子

这两天七国开会了。只是宣泄一下忧虑,好像没什么具体的解决方案。
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发表于 13-10-2008 01:12 AM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 goodluck88 于 13-10-2008 12:15 AM 发表


事情已经到了各国精英抓破头皮都找不到最好的方法的地步了....
要用最后一招了.....




最后一招是什么?
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发表于 13-10-2008 01:14 AM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 dellprecision 于 13-10-2008 12:21 AM 发表
这两天七国开会了。只是宣泄一下忧虑,好像没什么具体的解决方案。




日韩两国不是要联手救市咩?(不懂我听到的有没有错)
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发表于 13-10-2008 06:54 AM | 显示全部楼层
我不是预测,只是解读已经发生的事情。

G7 开完会,15 个欧元国也开完会。

相比之下,G7 的会议更为重要。但会议结束后,也只有区区的一页报告。

看来,各国除了拼命注资救市,想不到更具体的好方法。

而且,注资救市的方法也不一致,大家根本没有一个共同的合作方案。

表面又要让投资者觉得会议有成果,唯有说些没新意的论调,"各国将尽一切努力,保护自己国家的金融业。"

逼着没办法了,甚至可以把金融业务 - 国有化。

对资本主义国,这个算好消息吗?

总结一句,结果是让人不太乐观的。

谢国忠等人,很早就看透全球的经济问题了。各国的做法,只有想尽办法阻止股市下跌,即使是短暂回弹也好。

鲜血流不止的伤口,要它马上复原是不可能了。唯有期望,止住血流。其它的,再慢慢想办法。

就算有小型技术回弹(应该还有一些相信技术分析的,觉得超卖到不行了,回弹也是合理的),现在还不是大举进场的时候。
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发表于 13-10-2008 07:03 AM | 显示全部楼层
阿扁大声说:"要反弹真的有那么难吗" :@
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