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Proton P3-21A Tuah内装曝光！！！
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发表于 3-1-2012 06:55 PM
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还没有卖还不知道，但是应该会比现在 proton 所有车款更好销量
4561336 发表于 3-1-2012 06:47 PM 
本地的销量应该不可能高过Saga吧.. 如果是说出口的话那就可能不过也要看他们的marketing有没有做功课... |
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发表于 3-1-2012 07:08 PM
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本地的销量应该不可能高过Saga吧.. 如果是说出口的话那就可能不过也要看他们的marketing有没有做功课...: ...
hyundai89 发表于 3-1-2012 06:55 PM
saga 在大马厉害罢了，可是在外国只有几个地方有卖 saga fl
至于 marketing 方面就要看 proton 新请的 manager |
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发表于 3-1-2012 07:13 PM
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saga 在大马厉害罢了，可是在外国只有几个地方有卖 saga fl
至于 marketing 方面就要看 proton 新请的 ...
4561336 发表于 3-1-2012 07:08 PM
有几个地方卖Saga BLM的？除了澳洲、埃及和东南亚，其他地方有BLM？ |
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发表于 3-1-2012 07:15 PM
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有几个地方卖Saga BLM的？除了澳洲、埃及和东南亚，其他地方有BLM？
hyundai89 发表于 3-1-2012 07:13 PM
土耳其 已经卖 saga FL 了 价钱 50k ++ 
一些中东国家和南非也是有卖 Saga blm |
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发表于 3-1-2012 07:34 PM
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买车送老鼠声，是破桶一贯的作风。有买有送。。。。。一天如果破桶解决的进风和老鼠声，相信大家会非常怀疑自己是不是在驾着破桶呢？？？？ |
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发表于 3-1-2012 07:47 PM
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买车送老鼠声，是破桶一贯的作风。有买有送。。。。。一天如果破桶解决的进风和老鼠声，相信大家会非常怀疑 ...
Kevlee 发表于 3-1-2012 07:34 PM 
不要这样，我跟我朋友的都没有 |
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发表于 3-1-2012 07:49 PM
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发表于 3-1-2012 08:14 PM
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发表于 3-1-2012 08:30 PM
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发表于 3-1-2012 08:32 PM
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应该是说gen2/persona. 对,CFE+VT3 with paddle shift. 不过照片的那张应该是h-line。 配备看起来应该会 ...
sCudeRia 发表于 30-12-2011 03:00 PM
NA会不会有vvt？ |
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发表于 3-1-2012 09:05 PM
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本帖最后由 4561336 于 3-1-2012 09:08 PM 编辑
所以其实Saga已经有左边驾驶的版本了，可是还没有出口去中国真的很奇怪...
Saga在土耳其大减价哦... ...
hyundai89 发表于 3-1-2012 07:49 PM 
要进入中国也要看中国代理脸色 比如 青年莲花 和 华泰 要不要
proton 在土耳其贵主要是 直接从大马进口 ..... 而 toyota 有在 土耳其 有生产 给当地 和 出口到欧洲其他国家，proton 没有在当地组装 所以汽车tax 比别人高 自然 就贵 ..... 大马政府好像也没有跟土耳其签什么贸易免除tax |
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发表于 4-1-2012 12:16 AM
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我非常怀疑proton p3到底是什么车？？
说是说c seg , 可是一整天拿b seg 来比？？
而且还是拿日本那两个？？
自己Segment的叻？ 不用比？ global car 来的哦？
到时去外国和人家比低级？？
比人家高一级东西自然好一点的啦
每次都拿不是对手的东西来比，很无聊
就好象一台dslr claim 它比DC 好 |
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发表于 4-1-2012 12:42 AM
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可能我太肥鸟~前座空间也是满足不到我咯，顶来顶去
p3 很久之前就说有soft dash了咯 ...
mct 发表于 2-1-2012 12:46 AM
哇.. 那么好死有 soft dash, 如果是像waja那类型的interior soft就可以了咯 |
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发表于 4-1-2012 08:25 AM
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NA会不会有vvt？
ivan6003 发表于 3-1-2012 08:32 PM
IAFM+
我非常怀疑proton p3到底是什么车？？
说是说c seg , 可是一整天拿b seg 来比？？
而且还是拿日本那两个 ...
mct 发表于 4-1-2012 12:16 AM
其实整个marketing plan主要还是aim在本地，拿vios/city/forte来比诶。。。去到欧洲你没有hatchback+diesel差不多就可以收工了。。。欧洲hyundai/kia给的warranty也是一流的，proton SC那么少拿什么来fight? 在澳洲和其他国家，要面对的是civic/altis/elantra/M3。。。我完全看不出有什么赢面。。。好吧如果卖b-seg的价钱始终都还有jazz/yaris/vios/m2那么这辆车除了大还有什么买点？？在中国，自主品牌的素质已经不是5年前了。。。很多已经开始玩Di+Turbo+CVVT/DCT等等的技术， 还要有auto aircon那些东西。。。加上青年那种态度。。。会红才有鬼。。。所以所谓global car, 我觉得global指的是global standard而不是market....而且看起来proton拿的是city/vios的standard而不是civic/altis的standard.... |
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发表于 4-1-2012 08:36 AM
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这里有很多人很厉害,真想不通为什么不去proton当designer或consultant...反而跑去当sa...
(posted by mobile) |
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发表于 4-1-2012 09:24 AM
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不要这样，我跟我朋友的都没有
ivan6003 发表于 3-1-2012 07:47 PM
你 就好咯，我的进风声还没解决。。。。。。。。。。。。。 |
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发表于 4-1-2012 11:40 AM
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本帖最后由 siaokialeong 于 4-1-2012 11:51 AM 编辑
再转一些关于CFE 和 IAFM+ 的资料：
cfe is come with cvvt, diff from cps that fixed from low profile to high profile using tri cam lobe. Same tech as vtec but diff execution.
Of course vvt only involve dual stage, retard or advanced the cam timing, but it is not fixed at certain rpm, it is continuous, depend on throttle input, road condition,load,torque on demand n etc. This info a get from a team of powertrain engineers, not only one person, which actually divided to to part, engine n transmission division.
It is the same concept as in toyota vvti, swift vvt, nissan cvvt, gema engine cvvt n etc. The only diff is that it is only on intake port.
and forget to mentioned, only 30% carry over parts from original campro in cfe, while around 50% carry over parts in iafm+.
So,it is not totally new, but the changes is consider major coz this pheonix project started in 2008, originally for cfe,but they add iafm+ later which actually derived from cfe itself, but with diff stroke n bore. They have tested cfe na version with vvt, but since the performance gain(broad power n torque band,not peak hp@torque) is nearly the same as using iafm+, so, they decide to use iafm+ without vvt mechanism which is cheaper to produce. So,cost versus performance, iafm+ is cost effective since they have limited budget, originally only to produce cfe, but since can produce 2 variants with one cost(na n turbo), why not...
For iafm+,they are many improvement unseen by the eyes coz the changes is internally. The only things u can see is the cat con design,it is the same as cfe, round cat for not only efficiently reduce emmision, but also more efficient than the old cat interm of performance.
Iafm+ also used same exhaust diameter as in cps, albeit a bit adjustment to the end back muffler to suit the engine. Thats why iafm+ 1.6 produce same torque as cps but at lower rpm.
The most important part is the main objective in pheonix project that is improve campro's power n torque delivery across the rev range, rather than pursuing high hp n torque at high rpm coz people dont normally drive at high rpm, which as been an infamous problem for campro,iafm n even cps. Not to mentioned the torque dip problem in vanilla campro which solved by iafm n vim in cps.
Torque dip problem is solve but its still not competent coz 85-90% of torque deliver at 3k rpm, which is consider higher.
Thats why if u experienced driving iafm n cps, u will notice the power start coming from 3k rpm onwards.
For iafm+,85-90% of torque already available at 2k rpm while cfe 100% torque generate at 2k rpm, which translate better town driving.
Beside cost factor, cvt is choosen due to its flexibility n minimum powerloss compare to torque converter auto, while twin clutch is too expensive to fork out from reputable oem as zf n getrag. Yup,they r cheaper offering from china company,but it is reliability n performance concerned.
The same as choosing manual trans to replace old mitsu and aichikikai. Thats why they opt getrag since prtn want to enter global market, they need to choose reputable oem and if u read countless review on japan made manual gbox(maybe except honda), their gearbox is good but always commented of being sloppy n not precise n not smooth operator.
Prtn really invest really big in order to make p321a at least on par with others offering globally which is the most expensive prtn ever produce interm of rnd cost.
Prtn profit recently announced is low not only due to lotus 5 years transformation plan, but also prtn own 5 years transformation plan.
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关于 IAFM+ 的部分，现在2k RPM 就有85-90% 的扭力顶峰值是真的吗？ 如果是真的，那么就是说 IAFM+ 比 CPS 更好？（至少在省油和市区驾驶方面的比较） |
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发表于 4-1-2012 11:49 AM
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再转一些关于CFE 和 IAFM+ 的资料：
cfe is come with cvvt, diff from cps that fixed from low profil ...
siaokialeong 发表于 4-1-2012 11:40 AM
之前的iafm低转完全没有力，cps才比较像样
可是那时flx出来的时候又说flx使用iafm+？
早早就有人说iafm会改善低转输出，
如果是这样的就、话好事来的，
iafm+会不会加入vvt？ |
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发表于 4-1-2012 11:55 AM
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之前的iafm低转完全没有力，cps才比较像样
可是那时flx出来的时候又说flx使用iafm+？ ...
ivan6003 发表于 4-1-2012 11:49 AM
IAFM+ 不会有 VVT..转贴中已经提到... 意思就是 其实CFE NA 就是IAFM+ 再加上VVT..
They have tested cfe na version with vvt, but since the performance gain(broad power n torque band,not peak hp@torque) is nearly the same as using iafm+, so, they decide to use iafm+ without vvt mechanism which is cheaper to produce. |
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