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印度反悔想跳单：法国“阵风”战机再遭抛弃！
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发表于 7-12-2012 07:16 AM
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发表于 7-12-2012 11:25 AM
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在沒正式簽約前，任何所謂的購買意向和承諾都是空！
不過，我看印度人只是撒點手段，可能要法國佬給予更好的Offer。
印度面對中國空軍的巨大壓力，不可能放棄Rafale，最後必定乖乖奉上銀兩給法國佬。
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发表于 7-12-2012 11:57 PM
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11月7号新闻
Rafale Deal In 3-4 Months, Says Indian Envoy In Paris
A deal with Dassault Aviation for 126 Rafale fighters is on course, with India's Ambassador to France telling journalists he expects to see the deal concluded in three-four months -- pretty much in line with what the Indian Air Force projects. Wire agency reports quote Ambassador Rakesh Sood as saying that negotiations between Dassault and the Indian MoD's contract negotiation committee (CNC) had moved "slower than expected", but that he was looking at a three-four month timeframe for the deal to be concluded.
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发表于 7-12-2012 11:59 PM
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12月4号的新闻
Dassault "optimistic" on Rafale talks with India
(Reuters) - Talks between French plane-maker Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA) and India over a $15 billion Rafale fighter contract are continuing, Dassault's chief executive said, adding he was "relatively optimistic".
India selected the Rafale to enter exclusive negotiations for a potential 126-plane order in late January, beating the competing Eurofighter Typhoon (EAD.PA) (SIFI.MI) (BAES.L) and lifting hopes for a sale that would boost French pride and restore the luster of its aviation industry.
"We are deep in talks at the moment. It's a complicated country, the negotiations are tough, but there is a desire to wrap up on both sides," CEO Charles Edelstenne told a parliamentary hearing on Tuesday.
"I'm relatively optimistic."
Edelstenne also said that growing public speculation over a change at the top for subsidiary Thales (TCFP.PA) - which he described as an "eventual change in governance" - was having an impact on talks with clients and making them more difficult.
(Reporting by Cyril Altmeyer; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2 ... USBRE8B316520121204 |
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发表于 8-12-2012 12:12 AM
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11月28号新闻
http://articles.economictimes.in ... eurofighter-typhoon
French Dassault opens Indian subsidiary for Rafale deal
NEW DELHI: After bagging the multi-billion dollar contract for supplying 126 Rafale fighter aircraft to IAF, French Dassault Systems has opened an Indian subsidiary company here.
The company named Dassault Aircraft Services India Private Limited ( DASIPL) was set up recently and it is 100 per cent owned by its French parent company, officials said here.
The new company is headed by a French national Richard Lavaud, who has worked in India earlier with defence firms,and will work towards finalising the deal with India, they said.
Earlier this year, Dassault Rafale had emerged as the lowest bidder in the IAF tender for supplying 126 combat aircraft edging out its European rival Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft in terms of prices.
The contract has been offered to Dassault and it is negotiating the terms and conditions and the final price of the aircraft with the Indian Defence Ministry officials.
Dassault has also entered into an agreement with Reliance Industries Limited (RIL) for partnering in defence and homeland security sectors in the country.
There was a possibility of the two companies working together in the combat aircraft deal here.
After finalising the deal, Dassault will have to reinvest 50 per cent of the contract's worth back into the Indian defence sector.
Mukesh Ambani-headed RIL has made several efforts in the past to position itself in the defence, internal security and aerospace solutions sectors.
本帖最后由 waja2000 于 8-12-2012 12:13 AM 编辑
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发表于 8-12-2012 12:15 AM
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发表于 8-12-2012 12:23 AM
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為何Boilwater總喜歡貼與事實不符的造假文章？慣性說謊也得有個底線吧，一貼出來就被我們拆穿西洋鏡，灰溜溜的棄樓而逃，遮樣很好玩咩？謊B! |
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发表于 8-12-2012 02:27 AM
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waja2000 发表于 8-12-2012 12:15 AM 
虽然还没有签约，不过阵风的合同应该跑不掉了
According to experts, with regard to maneuverability, electronic superiority and operating costs during tests, Rafale was bested by all its competitors. But ignoring procurement costs, operational costs and cycle costs, the Gripen and F-16 were eliminated despite proven superiority in electronic and other specialised capabilities. Rafale was at the bottom of each category. Only the Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale were left in the competition. Eventually, Rafale got the award. These are the views of some knowledgeable experts. Doubtless, there would be other experts holding different views to prove that Rafale was the most deserving bidder. It would be reckless for laypersons to enter arguments between experts.
However, what cannot be ignored even by laymen is the incontrovertible fact that initially, Rafale was the first to be eliminated from the competition. Then Dassault stated that it would enhance the performance of all systems of Rafale that did not meet with the requirements. The government thereby allowed Dassault to resubmit a fresh proposal for enhancing its capabilities! That facilitated Rafale’s reinstatement and eventual award of the contract. On what basis was this unprecedented favour granted to Rafale?
阵风的合同还是签了再说吧~~
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发表于 8-12-2012 02:36 AM
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发表于 8-12-2012 02:40 AM
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发表于 8-12-2012 05:22 PM
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Boilwater 发表于 8-12-2012 02:40 AM
每次运气黑到不能黑的一开口，不是阵风倒楣就是台风大旺！
我很期待阵风和台风接下来对谎言的回应！:v ...
恭喜你红到不能再红，你敢动手染红，单位正在找你这红人。
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发表于 9-12-2012 01:40 AM
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MARK-II 发表于 8-12-2012 12:23 AM
為何Boilwater總喜歡貼與事實不符的造假文章？慣性說謊也得有個底線吧，一貼出來就被我們拆穿西洋鏡，灰溜溜 ...
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本帖最后由 Boilwater 于 9-12-2012 03:46 PM 编辑
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发表于 9-12-2012 04:55 PM
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发表于 12-12-2012 06:20 PM
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waja2000 发表于 8-12-2012 12:15 AM
虽然还没有签约，不过阵风的合同应该跑不掉了
不知道Waja大大有留意到Typhoon降价吗？
BAE cutting price to win 126 fighters deal?
Jun 11, 2012
LONDON: Britain's BAE Systems is reported to be preparing a fresh bid which may include cutting down the prices for the world's biggest fighter jet order despite India's rejection of its Eurofighter Typhoon in favour of France's Dassault Rafale.
India chose the French fighter in January in a deal worth nearly £13 billion for 126 aircraft. India's decision had disappointed many in Britain, including Prime Minister David Cameron.
In a report without mentioning the source of information, The Mail on Sunday said: "BAE believes that when India scrutinises the Rafale and assesses the French submission, it will realize the Eurofighter is a superior aircraft that will be cheaper overall".
"If the Indians are willing to look again at the Eurofighter and there are indications that is happening, a revised bid will be ready for them," it added.
"BAE has even come up with designs for a marine version of the Eurofighter in case the Indians want to fly it from aircraft carriers," the report said.
The report said that Ian King, BAE chief executive, had not ruled out reducing the price of the Typhoon. "The Eurofighter, which is built in partnership with the German and Spanish arms of defence giant EADS and Italy's Finmeccanica, lost out because it was about 3.5 million pounds a plane more expensive than the Rafale", the report said.
"And the French, according to the Indians, offered better after-deals, including technology upgrades and the latest weaponry," it added. There were earlier suggestions that Britain's aid to India was partly designed to help win the major contract, which has since been denied.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-06-11/india/32173980_1_bae-chief-executive-eurofighter-typhoon-french-fighter
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发表于 14-12-2012 09:02 AM
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如果陣風會輸給j-20， 那麼颱風不是更慘？連航母都無法起降。目前的陣風已經樣樣齊全，每軍備武器都是過渡產品，J-20也不例外。
你們不覺得中國出新戰機，一下子出那麼多很奇怪嗎？ |
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发表于 14-12-2012 10:41 AM
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印度买阵风的其中一个理由，是继承Mirage幻影战斗机后勤体系，印度有长期使用幻影的经验，对法系战斗机极为熟悉，可以很快形成战斗力、并为航母舰载机提供备用方案，因此全印度都懂阵风是个最佳选择,Rafale is the best choice!（越南当然不懂！ ）
法国凭一国之力，就能提供完整的战斗机作战体系，研发台风的4国根本难望项背。
大马将跟进买阵风，Rafale Kita Punya! 本帖最后由 風大浪高 于 14-12-2012 10:59 AM 编辑
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发表于 14-12-2012 10:44 AM
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玩具熊 发表于 14-12-2012 09:02 AM
如果陣風會輸給j-20， 那麼颱風不是更慘？連航母都無法起降。目前的陣風已經樣樣齊全，每軍備武器都是過渡產 ...
大略算了一下，中國近來露面的新戰機有以下幾種：
（1）殲15（J-15『飛鯊』）：瀋陽飛機工業集團引進烏克蘭T10K機體（Su-33的原型機）所研發的艦載重型多功能戰鬥機，已在遼寧號航空母艦進行起降測試。
（2）殲15S：衍生自殲15的雙座版艦載教練機。
（3）殲20（J-20，中國網友稱『黑絲』）：成都飛機公司研發的雙發隱形空優戰鬥機，已有幾架原型機進行測試，據稱性能和美國F-22以及俄羅斯T50相當。
（4）殲31（J-31『鶻鷹』，中國網友稱『粽子』）：瀋陽飛機工業集團自主研發的中型多功能隱形戰鬥機。
（5）殲16：瀋陽飛機工業集團是以Su-30MKK為藍本所研發的國產重型戰鬥轟炸機。
（6）另有傳言稱中國將會（或已研發？）新的垂直起降隱形戰機。
這幾種戰機的角色都不一樣，任務也沒有重疊之處；殲15是艦載機，殲20和殲31應該是高低搭配的隱形戰機，殲16則配合Su-30MKK以搭配殲轟7『飛豹』。
如有遺漏或錯誤之處，敬請各位大大更正和賜教，謝謝～ |
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发表于 14-12-2012 05:31 PM
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detectivebinbin 发表于 14-12-2012 10:44 AM
大略算了一下，中國近來露面的新戰機有以下幾種：
（1）殲15（J-15『飛鯊』）：瀋陽飛機工業集團引進烏克 ...
垂直起飞什么的，比较搞人，是最不靠谱的。
至于20和31的高低搭配，比较悬，我赞同春田的看法，中国不是美帝，用20搭配大量三代半，虽然难看点，但在国土防空中比31和20组合好。毛子也是这样，只推出t50，用三代半飞机搭配，完成防空任务。
31这个项目，前景未明，比较实际的是上航母，不过仍然面临和J20舰载版的竞争。 |
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发表于 14-12-2012 08:03 PM
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風大浪高 发表于 14-12-2012 10:41 AM
印度买阵风的其中一个理由，是继承Mirage幻影战斗机后勤体系，印度有长期使用幻影的经验，对法系战斗机极为 ...
的確，之前我都發過貼了，4個國家製造出來的戰鬥機，問題是要全部都同意才可以賣你零件和武器。德國憲法表明不能協助任何參戰國，那麼不就等於零了嗎？
就是這樣印度才不敢買，況且颱風很多零件和武器都是美國貨，印度曾經吃過美國軍事制裁的苦頭，所以一開始F-16IN和F/A-18F的競標提案很早就被丟入垃圾桶。
馬來西亞也是一樣，不然為何遲遲不簽署購買F/A-18F合約？就是因為任務電腦原程式碼和敵我識別晶片的問題啊。
所以有完整的軍工體系的法國是我們的首選， 政治上沒有反響，該戰機對F-15SG在技術上也有優勢，報價又比颱風便宜。
所以首選為RAFALE! |
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