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美军F-35B易烧熔母舰甲板 【耗资甚巨仍未解决】。。。

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 楼主| 发表于 10-7-2014 04:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
牛牛好累 发表于 10-7-2014 02:40 PM
高科技陶瓷是一种优秀的不良导热体。太空梭都用了,没理由航母不可以用。


只有听说太空梭用来隔热没听说过陶瓷能被重量挤压的,你能确定陶瓷能承受飞机着地时的重量和冲击力吗? 假如飞机降落时不小心撞破陶瓷是很危险的。。。
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发表于 10-7-2014 04:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
kanwt 发表于 10-7-2014 04:22 PM
只有听说太空梭用来隔热没听说过陶瓷能被重量挤压的,你能确定陶瓷能承受飞机着地时的重量和冲击力吗? ...

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陶瓷的硬度是可以调整。例如 RADO 手表,它也是用陶瓷制造,硬度和钻石一样。
其实,还有一种非金属无机隔热资材也是能派上用场--Aerogel。

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发表于 10-7-2014 08:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
牛牛好累 发表于 10-7-2014 02:40 PM
高科技陶瓷是一种优秀的不良导热体。太空梭都用了,没理由航母不可以用。



太空梭防热瓦有自我牺牲精神,它把热量全部吸收了,而不传给防热瓦下面的金属机身,虽然外面的温度可以接近两千度,但是飞机的内部基本上没有什么变化。但是防热瓦本身却被损害,变得面目全非,。所以,对航天飞机来说,虽然它本身不是一次性的,但它的“避火衣”是一次性的。当它从太空回到地面以后,地面维护人员就要把贴在它身上的防热瓦一块块地揭掉,然后换上新的防热瓦,等候着下一次出征。
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 楼主| 发表于 10-7-2014 08:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
牛牛好累 发表于 10-7-2014 04:40 PM
陶瓷的硬度是可以调整。例如 RADO 手表,它也是用陶瓷制造,硬度和钻石一样。
其实,还有一种非金属 ...

你确定飞机在Aerogel跑道上不会打滑。。。。
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发表于 10-7-2014 09:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
kanwt 发表于 10-7-2014 08:20 PM
你确定飞机在Aerogel跑道上不会打滑。。。。

氣凝膠虽然隔热,但是1400度就溶了
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发表于 10-7-2014 10:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
cyberjaye 发表于 10-7-2014 09:28 PM
氣凝膠虽然隔热,但是1400度就溶了





F-35B排出的气体温度仍然超过摄氏920度

摄氏1400度,可以直接切钢了。可怜战机还没起飞,就要在跑道上从机尾开始解体了。
放心,更新更好的 Aerogel 会一直开发的。
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发表于 10-7-2014 10:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
kanwt 发表于 10-7-2014 08:20 PM
你确定飞机在Aerogel跑道上不会打滑。。。。

我很确定 Aerogel 不会铺在路面,不是这样用的。

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发表于 10-7-2014 10:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
牛牛好累 发表于 10-7-2014 10:37 PM
我很确定 Aerogel 不会铺在路面,不是这样用的。

那怎样用呢?
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发表于 10-7-2014 10:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
cyberjaye 发表于 10-7-2014 10:42 PM
那怎样用呢?

Aerogel 肯定要夹在路面和甲板之间,而路面肯定是另一种超强超硬的隔热质材。除了高科技陶瓷以外,想不出还有什么非金属物质可代替。

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发表于 10-7-2014 11:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
牛牛好累 发表于 10-7-2014 10:54 PM
Aerogel 肯定要夹在路面和甲板之间,而路面肯定是另一种超强超硬的隔热质材。除了高科技陶瓷以外,想不出 ...

可是航天用的高科技陶瓷仅能用一次啊
耐完高热就要马上换掉了

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发表于 11-7-2014 08:20 AM | 显示全部楼层
cyberjaye 发表于 10-7-2014 11:48 PM
可是航天用的高科技陶瓷仅能用一次啊
耐完高热就要马上换掉了

能用在甲板表面肯定不会用一次性的陶瓷。上面已经说正在找新资材了。生产超高温陶瓷正好是我国的强项,只不过坚固程度有待改进。

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发表于 11-7-2014 01:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
尾部向海不是行咯~
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发表于 11-7-2014 02:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
牛牛好累 发表于 11-7-2014 08:20 AM
能用在甲板表面肯定不会用一次性的陶瓷。上面已经说正在找新资材了。生产超高温陶瓷正好是我国的强项,只 ...

高科技陶瓷里面的纤维陶瓷(航天一次性陶瓷)低导热但是不耐烧。
另一种金属高科技陶瓷虽然耐烧,但却又高导热。
目前好像没有合适的高科技陶瓷,当然将来可能有,但是美国看起来是等不及了。
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发表于 11-7-2014 02:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
笑吼 发表于 11-7-2014 01:20 PM
尾部向海不是行咯~


那就不用垂直起降了



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发表于 11-7-2014 02:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
cyberjaye 发表于 11-7-2014 02:13 PM
那就不用垂直起降了

垂直起,平滑降。战机只要尾端射向海面也同样可以起飞。

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发表于 8-10-2014 12:17 AM | 显示全部楼层
。。。。。那个陶瓷是耐热,硬度高,但有硬度却没什么韧性,不能承受飞机移动和起落的冲击力,就像钻石比铁硬,但是铁有足够的力便能打碎钻石。
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发表于 24-10-2014 01:34 AM | 显示全部楼层
牛牛好累 发表于 11-7-2014 08:20 AM
能用在甲板表面肯定不会用一次性的陶瓷。上面已经说正在找新资材了。生产超高温陶瓷正好是我国的强项,只 ...

美国又有质疑F35的声音

Did China Just Render America's $1 Trillion Stealth Fighter Program Obsolete?
By Rich Smith | More Articles
October 19, 2014 | Comments (77)

Over-budget, behind schedule, and -- reportedly -- not a particularly good fighter jet,Lockheed Martin's (NYSE: LMT ) ultramodern Joint Strike Fighter may be destined for the scrap heap.

In a 2013 RAND Corporation report, one of the nation's foremost military analysts, blasted the F-35 for being a fighter that "can't turn, can't climb, can't run." Proponents of the F-35 reply that because it's stealthy, it shouldn't have to do any of those things -- lobbing missiles at its foes from over the horizon, and long before they can even see it.

Unfortunately, it turns out that the F-35 may not do the "invisibility" thing very well, either.


Photo: Lockheed Martin

Invisible becomes visible -- voila!
As DefenseNews.com recently revealed, China has a new device that may be able to track Lockheed's F-35 fighter with "passive" radar detection technology. Dubbed the DWL002, China's equipment can apparently detect stealth aircraft at distances of up to 400 kilometers -- and 600 kilometers for larger "stealth" targets -- processing "pulse, frequency agility, pulse duration, tactical air navigation system, distance measuring equipment, jitter/stagger radar, and identification friend or foe" signals emitted by the otherwise stealthy aircraft to determine its location.

To be clear, DWL002 is not an active radar system itself. As International Assessment and Strategy Center senior fellow Richard Fisher explains "assive systems like these simply listen for any electronic emission," identifying an aircraft without having to ping it with an active radar transmitter. As such, whether or not the F-35 is itself invisible to "radar" may be a moot point.

China can "see" it anyway.


Don't look now, Lockheed Martin. But China is watching you. Photo: Wikimedia Commons

And so can Russia
This problem with the F-35's lack of invisibility, it turns out, is not limited to China. According to DN, both the Czechs and the Ukrainians have similar systems for passive intercept of electronic signals, capable of detecting stealth aircraft.

Similarly, Aviation Week reported earlier this year that certain very high frequency (VHF) radar systems, such as Russia's P-14 Oborona VHF early warning system, and its 3D Nebo SVU active electronically scanned array (AESA), may also be capable of detecting the F-35. (A new Chinese naval radar system, Type 517M VHF, may be similarly effective against the F-35.)

And of course, there is the Balkan War incident to keep in mind. On March 27, 1999, Serbian anti-aircraft forces used a 1960s vintage P-18 VHF acquisition radar system (working in conjunction with an SA-3 SAM system for proximity targeting) to detect and down a F-117 stealth fighter jet.

What this all means for Lockheed Martin
Now, experts differ on how effective these various aircraft detection systems will be against the F-35. For one thing, while passive detection systems can tell an opponent that there's an F-35 "out there," it still takes an active detection system to guide a missile to shoot it down. But if the critics are right, it could still undermine the aircraft's reputation for invisibility, and pose a significant threat to Lockheed Martin's business.

It's been 13 years now since Lockheed Martin won the contract to build what was then known as the "joint strike fighter," beating out Boeing (NYSE: BA ) for that honor. Since then, Lockheed stock has risen an astonishing five times in value, from $35.29 (adjusted for dividends and stock splits) on Oct. 29, 2001, to more than $176 per share today. While many factors contributed to this outperformance, Lockheed's winning the F-35 franchise has certainly contributed mightily to the stock's success.

After all, analysts estimate that over the program's estimate 60-year lifespan, the F-35 will bring Lockheed Martin as much as $1.1 trillion worth of high-margin revenues -- or more. At the 11.2% profit margin that Lockheed Martin earns at its Aeronautics division (thanks to S& Capital IQ for the data), that works out to about $112 billion in profits the company could earn from this single product -- twice the market capitalization of the whole company.

But if the F-35 comes up short in the "invisibility" department, that franchise could be in jeopardy.


http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/10/19/did-china-just-render-americas-1-trillion-stealth.aspx

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发表于 24-10-2014 02:14 AM | 显示全部楼层
F35本身很好,错就错在近卫军非要和海空军参一脚。
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