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台风韩国再来好消息!明年出的T3单价仅售3亿多马币!

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发表于 18-8-2013 03:26 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
鹿死谁手,虽然已有答案!
不过对我国而言是个好消息!
因为我国需要的T3才卖3亿多马币!
EADS提出的竞标价格在7万亿韩元左右,换成马币除60架才3亿多!


Seoul is seeking 45 one-seater aircraft and 15 two-seaters, but EADS proposed only six two-seater aircraft, which are costly to produce, due to budget problems, Yonhap said. It also quoted the estimated budget in British pounds instead of in US dollars as demanded by Seoul, the news agency said.


韩国空军将引进新一代战机 F-35被排除在外

2013年08月17日 09:15 来源:中国新闻网



 中新网8月17日电 据韩国《中央日报》报道,韩国空军计划引进60架新一代战斗机(F-X),在机种选择问题上,美国波音公司的F-15SE战机和欧洲宇航防务集团的欧洲战机将展开竞争。
  韩国防卫事业厅发言人白润炯16日表示,从8月13日开始进行的价格投标中,有两家企业提出的价格低于政府的预算8.3万亿韩元,“我们将会以性能评价和价格等为基础,在近期确定最终要引进的机种”。
  报道认为,F-15SE战机可以和韩国军队正在使用中的F-15K兼容,在韩美同盟及与美军的联合作战中具有明显优势。另外,欧洲战机给出了技术力量和国内生产等破格条件。
  根据韩国政府制定的方针,如果投标提案超过预算,那么无论性能如何,都将被排除在候选对象之外。韩国政府在今年6月和7月先后进行了55次招标,但始终没有找到满足条件的竞标企业,之后政府又追加进行了招标。
      韩国防卫事业厅方面虽然没有正式公开满足价格要求的企业,但经确认,波音公司和EADS提出的竞标价格在7万亿韩元左右,而生产F-35的洛克希德•马丁公司提出的价格为9万亿韩元。因此,新一代隐形战机F-35已经被排除在此次引进战机的候选机种名单之外。

http://www.chinanews.com/gj/2013/08-17/5173715.shtml








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 楼主| 发表于 18-8-2013 04:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
60架台风开价才200亿马币+,还送技术转移!
一个中队18架,才60亿+
@waja2000 为甚么卖马来西亚就要双倍的价钱?
难到已经预算了某某要狠赚一笔...



S. Korea's fighter jet project becomes two-way race


2013/08/16 16:47

By Kim Eun-jung

SEOUL, Aug. 16 (Yonhap) -- In a last-ditch effort to win South Korea's fighter jet project, two of the three bidders -- Boeing and EADS -- offered proposals below the state budget of 8.3 trillion won (US$7.2 billion) during the final bidding on Friday, government officials and industry sources said.

The third company, Lockheed Martin, selling its F-35 stealth jets through the foreign military sales (FMS) program, offered a price higher than Seoul's budget, according to sources, effectively being eliminated from the race to win the country's largest arms procurement deal.

As the bidding process ended, the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) will conduct a comprehensive assessment of the jets and officially announce the winner next month.

"As there were companies that offered price within the program budget, we will proceed to the next step," DAPA spokesman Baek Yoon-hyung said in a press briefing, without elaborating the names citing the ongoing procedure.

"Although all jets will be evaluated, aircraft exceeding the budget will not be qualified for the contract," Baek said.

This week's final rounds of biddings were held following a six-week suspension due to all previous sessions ending in a failure when all three aerospace giants offered prices above the 8.3 trillion won budget approved by parliament.

The bidding war illustrated the heightened competition among the world's biggest defense groups as they seek to overcome drastic cutbacks in military spending in the U.S. and Europe.

The cheaper proposals by the two companies came after the DAPA announced that another failure in the bidding may lead to restarting the project from the beginning.

It had said that all options will be considered, such as reducing the number of jets to be bought, buying the jets in installments and increasing the state budget, which could be more beneficial to F-35s, whose biggest hindrance is their high cost.

Initially, Lockheed Martin's F-35s, which are in development for the U.S. military, were seen as a favorite given South Korean Air Force's long pursuit of stealth fighter jets that can pass through North Korea's complex web of radars and given the close relations between the two allies.

However, there was less room for price negotiations as F-35s are sold through the foreign military sales (FMS) program by the U.S. government.

Unlike the other two that make direct commercial sales, Lockheed Martin has offered a bid whose combined prices for each year from 2017 to 2022 exceeded Seoul's budget, according to sources familiar with the matter.

The government-to-government FMS condition requires a foreign government to pay the amount specified by the U.S. government for the F-35s at the time of payment.

Seoul had initially picked a bidder last October with the goal of receiving the first delivery in December 2016, but it postponed the schedule to get the first batch in August 2017 in accordance with the change in the negotiation procedure.

Military officials have expressed concerns over the further delay in the project to replace the aging fleet of F-4 and F-5 jets, with some of them introduced to the country over 40 years ago.

The DAPA has faced criticism for the delay by conducting biddings for a mix of direct commercial sales and the government-to-government deal.

The agency said it will conduct a comprehensive evaluation with value-added analysis on price conditions, without elaborating details of the assessment criteria.

The price factor accounts for 30 percent of the total score, while the pure procurement cost, excluding life-cycle maintenance and operation costs, occupies a smaller proportion of the selection process. However, the DAPA held its ground that meeting the budget limit is one of the most important requirements for the deal.

The final decision will be made in a meeting of experts and government officials slated for in mid-September. No specific date has been confirmed.

In its bid, Boeing has stressed the interoperability of the F-15 SE with other models purchased in the first two stages of the fighter modernization programs. Seoul has purchased 60 Boeing F-15 fighter jets since 2002.

It doesn't offer the same radar signature reduction as an F-35 and is only optimized for air-to-air combat stealth. What it does offer is greatly improved radar stealth over the F-15K and internal weapons.

While EADS' twin-engine Eurofighter is not equipped with stealth, EADS says measures were taken to reduce the Typhoon's radar cross section, especially from the frontal aspect.

EADS offered an investment of $2 billion in Seoul's plan to build its own fighter aircraft and assemble 53 planes in South Korea to boost its aerospace industry.

If Eurofighter is selected, it will be the first European combat jet deployed by South Korean Air Force.



Europe's EADS dropped from $9b South Korea jet fighter bid
Published on Aug 18, 2013      

5:47 PM



SEOUL (AFP) - European aerospace consortium EADS has been eliminated from a bid to provide fighter jets worth US$7.3 billion (S$9.3 billion) to South Korea due to a failure to meet some requirements, a report said on Sunday.

The Eurofighter was dropped from the bid also sought by US company Boeing after the South's military found that the EADS proposal did not meet its key demands, Yonhap news agency said. It cited an unidentified official at the Defence Acquisition Programme Administration (DAPA). A spokesman for DAPA was not immediately available for comment.

"A problem was found in the proposal document of one of two final bidders. The company in question was deemed unfit (to join the final bid)," Yonhap quoted the DAPA official as saying, adding the troubled bidder was known to be EADS.

Seoul is seeking 45 one-seater aircraft and 15 two-seaters, but EADS proposed only six two-seater aircraft, which are costly to produce, due to budget problems, Yonhap said. It also quoted the estimated budget in British pounds instead of in US dollars as demanded by Seoul, the news agency said.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/world/story/europes-eads-dropped-9b-south-korea-jet-fighter-bid-20130818

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发表于 21-8-2013 12:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
上诉机会也不大。

ADS Fights to Keep Typhoon in South Korean Combat Jet Contest
By Robert Wall - Aug 20, 2013 7:01 AM

EAD is working to keep alive the Eurofighter Typhoon’s sales prospects in South Korea after the agency set to select the provider of 60 combat planes raised questions about the bid.
South Korea’s DAPA defense armaments agency requested a draft contract over the weekend as EADS sought to clarify its proposal that had “confused” the customer, said Christian Scherer, the sales chief of EADS’s Cassidian defense unit.
South Korea is also evaluating offers from Boeing, which is trying to sell an upgraded version of the F-15E called the Silent Eagle, and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter made by Lockheed Martin Corp. The country, already a buyer of F-15s, is looking to acquire 60 jets under the so called F-X program.
“We have all to play for,” Scherer said in a telephone interview late yesterday. “I am still optimistic that whoever is uncomfortable with how we structured our bid will come around and see there is more to it.”
DAPA said on Aug. 18 one of three contestants it refused to identify did not meet conditions specified for the contract. South Korean’s Yonhap News reported on Aug. 19 that EADS did not meet the requirements, while the Lockheed Martin F-35 offer did not meet the government’s strict budget cap.
“The F-X source selection process has multiple phases and we will continue to work closely with the U.S. government as they offer the F-35 to Korea,” Lockheed Martin said in an e-mailed statement. “Lockheed Martin has not to date received an official notification from the Republic of Korea regarding the results of the price bidding for the F-X Program.”
Traditional Buyer
South Korea reopened the fighter bids on Aug. 13 after temporarily halting the process in July because all three competitors exceeded the 8.3 trillion won ($7.5 billion) budget.
Boeing has not received any official notification and “we await word on the next steps in the selection process and will continue to work closely with the Republic of Korea in meeting their defense requirements,” the Chicago-based company said by e-mail.
EADS, which is leading the South Korean bid for the Eurofighter joint venture that also includes[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/BA/N]BAE Systems Plc (BA/)[/url] and [url=http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/FNCM]Finmeccanica SpA (FNC)[/url], was fully compliant with the country’s rules, Scherer said. The package provided by Eurofighter would help Korea to come to the most cost-effective choice for the F-X program, he said.
The fight for military exports is intensifying as defense companies from Lockheed Martin, the world’s largest, to EADS seek sales abroad to make up for shrinking prospects in their home markets. Eurofighter lost out to the F-35 in a competition in Japan and last year came short inIndia, which opted for the Dassault Aviation SA (AM) Rafale.
South Korea has traditionally procured most of its military equipment from the U.S., which has stationed almost 30,000 troops on the peninsula to aid in the country’s national defense. That reality drove EADS to make an aggressive proposal, Scherer said.
EADS said its offer includes about $2 billion in investments into a future indigenous South Korean fighter development, the KF-X. The company also had offered to assemble 53 of the 60 planes in South Korea, Scherer said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-19/eads-fights-to-keep-typhoon-in-south-korean-combat-jet-contest.html



F-35"台风"相继落马 韩国新一代战机采购恐告吹
http://nv.qianlong.com/33530/2013/08/21/6324@8886885.htm


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发表于 22-8-2013 04:00 PM | 显示全部楼层
滾水兄,你的美夢做了4天了, 該醒了。
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发表于 22-8-2013 06:58 PM | 显示全部楼层
玩具熊 发表于 22-8-2013 04:00 PM
滾水兄,你的美夢做了4天了, 該醒了。

一楼的新闻已经很清楚了啊!
三十九架单座 T3 +六架双座 T3 +Technology Transfer 平均单价才3亿多马币!






法国空军买阵风,都要1亿欧元喔!

http://currentaffairs.gktoday.in/2013/08/france-reduce-rafale-order-programme-depends-indian-defense-deal-8051/

Dassault Aviation will have to sell some 40 planes to France’s commercial partners if it is to juggle production costs!!!


40亿欧元除40架被裁减的阵风,每架1亿欧元。
法国自己买都要每架1亿欧元。
法国减购阵风已经使其成本成本增加!
未来如果出口签不到合同,法国本身的26架都很可能要买超过每架1亿欧元!   
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发表于 22-8-2013 10:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
我說的美夢是指南韓可能也不會要買TYPHOON T3
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发表于 22-8-2013 10:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
玩具熊 发表于 22-8-2013 10:16 PM
我說的美夢是指南韓可能也不會要買TYPHOON T3


韩国买美国货是预料中事啊!(政治因素)
Typhoon有中东就够了。




本帖最后由 cyberjaye 于 22-8-2013 10:41 PM 编辑

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发表于 27-8-2013 11:42 AM | 显示全部楼层
楼主是谈论买战机,还是买菜?

战机单价可以这样除60的吗?? 45单座,跟15双座,价钱可能混合来除的吗??

再从这个“巴刹买菜”的逻辑,进一步做出“马来西亚就要双倍的价钱?” + 明年出的T3单价仅售3亿多马币!


楼主你能不能成熟些,理智些,讨论像样些,多实事求是些???


第二次提醒了。。
因主题数据失实,这主题就此关闭。。
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