大马MRCA多功能战斗机计划的消息

RSSFORMIDABLE

waja2000 发表于 25-7-2013 01:25 AM
不止还有其他的 ....
1艘Scoopian是算西班牙的,因为在那边建造
A400M算是多供应商...基本上算EADS集团  ...

SIPRI Arms Transfers Database 的资料只是供参考用途，到底当时马来西亚政府是向什么国家采购，必须根据马来西亚政府的官方合约为标准。

这里有很多矛盾的地方，如果马来西亚万一采购TYPHOON，那TYPHOON是英国BAE，或是例为MULTIPLIER SUPPLY?

SIPRI Arms Transfers本身的标准是有少许争议

waja2000

RSSFORMIDABLE 发表于 25-7-2013 10:20 AM
有几个东西你必须搞清楚
A400M 是2005年马来西亚政府和法国空中巴士完成谈判合约 基本上，A400M是我 ...

别太介意由谁供应,最重要只是要资料到底大马买了多少军购...
A400M大马未取货, 就暂时放多供应商, 相信交货后会列法国的... 估计最后是看在那里一国制造(生产).
欧洲个军火公司的股权互相连贯, 但是都有主导公司, 比如Eurofighter GmbH, 虽然BAE只站33%股权, 但是是他们主导销售/生产/Support, A400M也是吧由Airbus Military主导, EADS也占达索46%g股权..不过这些不大重要吧, 只是欧洲军火商互惠互利.

MARK-II

waja2000 发表于 25-7-2013 01:33 AM
除了Scorpian的配套导弹, 都没有看到法国导弹的订单 ...  Gowing的导弹也还没有下订单 ...

由於Gowind的導彈未確定採用哪種型號，Sipri當然沒有資料。
資料證實我國有採購R-77和KH-31P兩種導彈。

waja2000

風大浪高 发表于 24-7-2013 09:52 PM
EC665 Tiger 虎式攻击直升机。

希望赶紧订12架Tiger HAD吧。

風大浪高

waja2000 发表于 26-7-2013 01:15 PM
希望赶紧订12架Tiger HAD吧。

当前我国的军购，以ESSCOM所需为优先处理，因此我估计可能没12架那么多，可能是买6架？

Felipawn

detectivebinbin 发表于 11-7-2013 07:35 PM
哦，538加侖～

不像台风有PIRATE和阵风有OSF，超级大黄蜂没有内置红外搜索与跟踪系统(IRST)。你贴的图片是Lockheed Martin的SpectIR IRST Pod，前半部是IRST，后半部是330加仑油箱，好处是不需要改机身但要用一个挂点。


超级大黄蜂内置IRST的设计：

Boilwater

Felipawn 发表于 26-7-2013 02:17 PM
不像台风有PIRATE和阵风有OSF，超级大黄蜂没有内置红外搜索与跟踪系统(IRST)。你贴的图片是Lockheed Mart ...

PIRATE平台的任务和雷达一样，以无源模式工作，没有电磁辐射，利用热能对各种目标进行探测。
PIRATE具有可以在整个作战行动中保持隐身状态从而获得战术优势的重要的特征，可以提高整个作战飞机平台的性能。

该设备安装在机舱左侧、风挡玻璃的前方。PIRATE系统在空对空模式下运行的时候，具备搜索和跟踪系统(IRST)功能，提供无源目标探测和跟踪能力；在空对地模式下，可以执行多目标获取和识别任务，同时还能提供辅助导航和着陆功能。

Felipawn

waja2000 发表于 24-7-2013 01:50 AM
效果不错

阵风的受油探头很显眼。阵风是在MRCA中唯一用固定受油探头的战机，其他的战机都用伸缩受油探头。

Gripen：


Su-30:



Typhoon:


Super hornet:


Super hornet添油后收起受油探头：

waja2000

風大浪高 发表于 26-7-2013 01:24 PM
当前我国的军购，以ESSCOM所需为优先处理，因此我估计可能没12架那么多，可能是买6架？

ESSCOM的我估计80%会把现在有的C-235运输机改去C-235MPA(应该会有少少2架把) . 至于Tiger只是个人猜测， 一般采购都是这样数目把，合理应该是24架Tiger（估计9-10亿美金）， 东西马个12架，要不然后勤也困难， 如果买6~8架的话就要选择全部放在东马还是西马. Eurocopter的维修厂在subang Airport，ESSCOM会在Lahat Latu建新机场，可以降落B737/A320，C130，A400M等等， 估计那边会有Tiger机库做基本检测，维修，换零件， 如果需要major services就需要用A400M运回Subang了。

風大浪高

waja2000 发表于 26-7-2013 03:13 PM
ESSCOM的我估计80%会把现在有的C-235运输机改去C-235MPA(应该会有少少2架把) . 至于Tiger只是个人猜测，  ...

印尼IAe提议为我国的2架CN-235改为MPA，这仅是短期对策，长期规划，应买多几架新款的C295做海事巡逻/反潜。

Boilwater

只是英国BAE报道，别太认真..看看就好



Evolution of Typhoon Tranche 3 capability
THURSDAY 25 JULY 2013

Capability enhancements

Enhancements include provision for conformal fuel tanks and extra electrical power and cooling to cater for an E-Scan radar which will enhance performance, reliability and availability whilst delivering lower support costs for Typhoon customers.  Extra computing power and high speed data network systems will give the aircraft capacity for even more capability in the future.

About the Tranche 3A contract

Under the Tranche 3A contract signed in 2009, a total of 112 aircraft have been ordered for the four European partner nations of Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, with 40 aircraft bound for the Royal Air Force.


~~BAE SYSTEM

RSSFORMIDABLE

lower support cost?

英國審計報告都說typhoon 的價格高漲

BAE 的報導  别太认真..看看就好

RSSFORMIDABLE

Felipawn 发表于 26-7-2013 02:17 PM
不像台风有PIRATE和阵风有OSF，超级大黄蜂没有内置红外搜索与跟踪系统(IRST)。你贴的图片是Lockheed Mart ...

你自己讨论的不错哦  加油

風大浪高

RSSFORMIDABLE 发表于 26-7-2013 08:11 PM
lower support cost?

英國審計報告都說typhoon 的價格高漲

台风的单价和维修费不比阵风便宜，只有更贵。

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風大浪高 发表于 26-7-2013 09:41 PM
台风的单价和维修费不比阵风便宜，只有更贵。

有没有一分使用国的报告，证明台风维修很便宜？


一些人只是自己计算，自己发布维修很便宜买格，这是没有讨论意义的

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風大浪高 发表于 26-7-2013 04:58 PM
印尼IAe提议为我国的2架CN-235改为MPA，这仅是短期对策，长期规划，应买多几架新款的C295做海事巡逻/反潜 ...

Dzirhan Mahadzir - Defence Journalist
French PM on 2 day visit to Malaysia, bet a pitch for Rafale will done too during his visit
      
Dzirhan 大大在fb发布讯息，看来                  Dzirhan 大大也支持阵风了

      有人真的会坐立不安   
   

Boilwater

RSSFORMIDABLE 发表于 24-7-2013 06:42 PM
反正都是租gripen，法国来推销，只会让一些开始不安了

RSSFORMIDABLE 发表于 27-7-2013 01:41 PM
Dzirhan Mahadzir - Defence Journalist
French PM on 2 day visit to Malaysia, bet a pitch for Ra ...

hahaha, 笑到我坐立不安!

Ariv Fotomoto Putin visited Msia in Aug 2003... SU contract sealed (just saying) hehe
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Dzirhan Mahadzir - Defence Journalist That one tengok siapa PM masa tu, lagi decisive, sekarang punya PM, Malaysia kena invade pun tunggu berapa minggu untuk bertindak
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waja2000

跟进新闻 .......

Malaysia still committed to MRCA, says defence minister

James Hardy, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
24 September 2013

Malaysia's requirement for 18 multirole combat aircraft to replace the Royal Malaysian Air Force's MiG-29 fleet is still ongoing, Malaysian Defence Minister Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said on 21 September.

Speaking at a press conference during the Malaysian Armed Forces Day parade in Kuala Lumpur, he said: "It is ongoing but any announcement will not be at the Ministry of Defence level as it is being discussed at the higher level of government."

The decision to start a formal procurement process will be made by the Malaysian prime minister and his cabinet - a normal practice in Malaysia for large cost government programmes.

In response to a query as to when a request for proposals would be made, Hishammuddin declined to give a specific timeframe, only saying, "we will announce it at the right time".

In other developments, the Malaysian Armed Forces Day parade saw the public unveiling of the Malaysian Army new digital camouflage pattern uniforms along with an under-evaluation vehicle digital pattern camouflage.

Malaysian Chief of Defence Force General Zulkifeli Mohammed Zin said the new uniform would be phased in, with combat units the first to transition over. He added that the Royal Malaysian Navy and Royal Malaysian Air Force will soon also introduce their own specific digital pattern uniforms. Armour and mechanised infantry officers at the parade told IHS Jane's that the vehicle digital pattern was still undergoing field trials and the final pattern may change.

http://www.janes.com/article/274 ... ys-defence-minister

waja2000

一些新闻 .....


Malaysia Has An Option Now To Consider Advanced Super Hornets, Says Boeing Official


KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 25 (Bernama) -- Malaysia can now consider the Advanced Super Hornet for its multi-role combat aircraft needs, which offers significant retrofittable enhancements, including a 50 per cent increase in the capability to avoid radar detection, an enhanced engine and additional 260 nautical miles range.

Mike Gibbons, Boeing's Vice-President for F/A-18 & EA-18 Programmes, said the fighter aircraft's additional combat range has been made possible because of the conformal fuel tanks, which gives it a great advantage in being able to fly faster than with external tanks, making it more formidable against enemy aircraft and other threats.

This, along with other advanced features such as an upgraded electronic warfare system, integrated counter-measure system and enclosed weapons pod, has caught the eye of many of the Super Hornet's current and potential customers including the US Navy and Royal Australian Air Force.

Gibbons said the increase in price for the Advanced Super Hornet package would currently be nil because Malaysia can buy the Block II Super Hornet and then decide what it wants to do later in terms of retrofitting.

These advancements, which could be affordably retrofitted on an existing Block II Super Hornet aircraft or included on a new jet, were relayed to the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) and Defence Ministry officials during Gibbons recent visit to Malaysia.

RMAF reportedly has a requirement for 18 fighters to replace its MiG-29s as well as for three airborne early warning aircraft.

Depending on what the customer wants, Gibbons said the additional cost of the full suite of the enhancements and what he describes as technology evolutionary changes to the renowned Super Hornet fighter aircraft would be about 10 per cent.

"We, the Hornet Industry Team, comprising Boeing and our partners Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and GE Aviation, always like to push the edge of what we can do to the jet beyond the customers' requirements," he told a media briefing.

Designed with a lot of growth, he said: "Customers see what we can do (when) we mature the technologies and they want those (advancements)."

Boeing and the Hornet Industry Team are investing in next-generation capabilities, so warfighters have what they need and when they need it, which enables the customer to acquire it in a cost-effective manner.

The improvements will ensure that the Advanced Super Hornet outpaces enemy aircraft and defences through 2030 and beyond, especially when that enemy tries to deny access to a specific area, such as skies over international waters near its assets.

The enhanced features of the Advanced Super Hornet could be made available to customers as early as in 2018, Gibbons said, adding that its advanced crew station was in immediate demand in the international fighter market.

Additional advanced features customers can get the Advanced Super Hornet include enhanced survivability, internal infra-red search and track (IRST), radar upgrades, an enhanced engine that includes a 20 per cent greater thrust, and a next-generation cockpit.

Advanced Super Hornet prototype flights commenced on Aug 5, 2013 from Boeing's manufacturing plant in St Louis, the United States.

-- BERNAMA

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v7/newsindex.php?id=980341

cyberjaye

waja2000 发表于 26-9-2013 12:47 PM
跟进新闻 .......

Malaysia still committed to MRCA, says defence minister

差不多~~

MRCA Twist and Turns

Marhalim Abas
September 12, 2013
Malaysia - RMAF
SHAH ALAM: Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein last week seemed to confirm that the MRCA project – a non-starter – almost four years ago – will go into hibernation as the economy is going south.

It was not a clear cut thing though as Hishammuddin – as reported by the NST – seemed to have forgotten that the MRCA programme had fueled the last two LIMAs. I have not gotten confirmation of what transpired during the press conference but I hope to get a full confirmation of the “real messsage” within the next few days.

However, I had on many occasions posted that it was unlikely that the MRCA programme will get the nod this year. Even 2014 looked a long shot but 2015/2016 seemed more likely barring further economic shocks.

Anyhow, this post was initiated by reports that Boeing intend to tie-up with Saab to offer the Gripen NG – the F version – for the USAF Future Trainer TX- requirement. The TX programme is aimed to acquire 350 trainers to replace the Grumman T-38 Talon, which was developed into the much exported F-5, of which E and R versions still in service with the RMAF.

From Aviation Week:
“Until now, Boeing had stated its intention to offer an all-new aircraft. However, a link with Saab became a possibility when the Swedish government launched development of the new JAS 39E version at the beginning of this year. Although the Swedish plan is formally contingent on Switzerland confirming its order for the fighter (in a referendum that is expected early next year), the Swiss deal has continued to pass milestones on the way to that decision. The JAS 39E is due to enter service in 2018.

Sweden and Switzerland both plan to order only JAS 39E single-seaters, but the two-seat 39F is a straightforward development.

The JAS 39F is fractionally larger and more powerful than the T-50, but also is more modern, with a wide-screen cockpit like that of the F-35 and a fully integrated helmet-mounted display. It is expected to cost less to acquire than the previous C/D variant and has been designed for easy maintenance and low operating costs. Swiss air force leaders say that its cost per flight hour is expected to be half that of the Typhoon and Rafale, its competitor for the Swiss order.

While no formal T-X requirement has been issued, Saab and Boeing’s action indicates that they believe any requirement under which the T-50 qualifies also could be met by the Gripen.

One industry source notes that a T-X Gripen also would be suitable for aggressor training, or as a companion trainer for F-22s and F-35s — which, unlike earlier USAF fighters, are not being acquired in two-seat versions. (The USAF has added T-38s to F-22 units in that role.) Beyond that, a source close to USAF leadership notes that “it is not a long step to an affordable air defense fighter to replace (Air National) Guard F-15/F-16 units.”
Boeing issued a statement that neither confirmed nor denied the existence of the Saab deal.”

With the TX timeline two years ahead and a Boeing Gripen remained a possibility, any delays to the MRCA programme may well be a blessing in disguise for Saab. Even if not selected for the TX programme, the experience it gained will certainly put the Gripen in a good stead for a renewed push for the MRCA project.

It must be said however it will be easier to procure the Gripen from Sweden instead of going the hoopla of FMS for the Boeing-built version.

http://cforum1.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3196401&extra=page%3D2