bluewolf 提问——Zero and infinite

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Cameron（注：Cameron是英国商人）

I had great difficulty when I started proofreading the texts with the way in which the Oedipus complex was used as being“A core of human nature”.

To my way of thinking the complex took it’sroots from the Greek tragedy, that was then used in modern times by SigmundFreud to illustrate the mental attitude or aberration of certain patientsregarding their insecurity emanating from an over dependence and sexual desirefor their mother.

初始校对译文时有很大的困难，即把恋母情结运用到人类天性的核心。据我的观点，此情结源自希腊神话的悲剧，后由近代西格蒙德·佛洛伊德运用于说明某些患者对他们的不安全感源于对他们的母亲过分依赖和性欲的精神状态或偏差。

To then use this to illustrate core natureembedded in all humans seemed to me to be too wide a misuse or at bestill-founded.

However over the last weeks of working atproof reading the texts of Lana I have been able to understand more clearly whyit is used as an allegory to explain the origins of fundamental humanbehaviour. Once the image of “Mother Earth” emerged in the texts I could thenrelate to the logic or extension from this fecund source of mankind, and seethat the “Womb image” of creation could indeed be exemplified by using “TheOedipus Complex” as a point of reference.

然后用此论点来说明所有人类根深的核心本质，似乎对我来说太广泛的滥用，往好的说，无事实根据。然而，在过去几周校对Lana的译文当中，我已经能够更清楚地了解为什么用它来解释人类基本行为的起源的一个象征。

一次“大地之母”的图象出现在文中，从人类这块肥沃的土地上，就能联想到此逻辑或其延伸，且当看到万物的“子宫图象”确实可以使用“恋母情结”作为例证的一个参照点。

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Translated by Lana 翻译  Proofread byCameron笑对

bluewolf （马来哲学论坛高级会员）问：姐姐們喲～你們對無限和零的看法是什麼？1）無限即為無限，包不包含有限？2）數學上的無限，倒數（反面）是零，但是零是屬於有限嗎？另外【基本之基本】佳禮哲學版沒有多少人肯嚴謹對待的哲學根本二樓已補充無窮的概念。

bluewolf (Superior member in Malay forum)asked, ‘Dear sisters, what are your opinions about  the infinite and zero?Does  infinite have a limit? In mathematics the reciprocal of infinite iszero. Does zero have a limit?  

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画眉回复：无限……人类的认知是有限的，无限这个概念——表示了人类的不可知论？

零……的概念，初始是表示无，没有。表示空……除了零以外的一切数——表示有，表示色的展开与延续。数的展开——叫做然。

零……表示——原点。比如——生命原点。

一切从零……而来，这个就叫做——无中生有。无→有——叫做然。有→无——叫做由。（待续）2013-3-30

Huamei (Thrush) replied: Infinite… the cognisanceof human beings is limited. The concept of the infinite expresses human’s agnosticism?

The concept of zero originally definednothing or emptiness (kon空) . Except zero, all the rest of the numbersdefined something (se色) which also means expansion andcontinuation. The spread of the numbers is called 'Ran然'.

Zero means the beginning for example theorigin of life.

Everything comes from zero. This is called‘something is created out of nothing’. From nothing to something, it is called 'Ran 然'. From something to nothing, it is called 'You由'. (Be continued) 2013-3-30

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零……表示空。零之所以能够展开……1、2、3，乃至无限——是因为——空不空。是因为空中有色。是因为……空即是色，色即是空。无中含有，有中含无。

负数的概念……表示人类从数学科学的角度承认了阴阳。零的展开就是个阴阳（正数与负数）。古代叫做——一生二。这里的1表示零；2表示阴阳。3……表示阴阳交合以后的展开（亦即三生万物），叫做然……然至无穷。这里的然至无穷……是同时然至无穷大与无穷小。

Zero means emptiness. Why the zero can be spread to 1, 2, 3…even to theinfinite because of nothing, yet not nothing, emptiness is not really empty;but because there is something in the void and the void is the world, and theworld is the void. The world is included in the void. The void is included inthe world.

The concept of negative numbers shows that humans admit the existence ofYin-Yan from the viewpoint of the science of mathematics. The spread of zero isYin-Yan, plus and minus.

In ancient times it is called 1 is derived from 2 after one comes two,the one giving birth to the two. The one here means zero; the two meansYin-Yan; and the three is as a result of the extensions after the conjunctionof Ying and Yang. That is to say that the three gives birth to everything. Thisis called ‘Ran然’, ran然to infinite. The ran然 to infinite here also means to infinityand to the infinitesimal.

Lana note: The word kon空 can mean nothing,emptiness or void. The word se色 can mean to createsomething, everything or the world.

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宇宙……形成以前，叫做零，叫做心，叫做宙心，叫做宇宙的原点。这个宇宙原点在古佛学里叫做觉海，叫做性海，叫做生命原点。

宇宙是这个原点的膨胀（爆炸）……形成的。这个过程叫做然。宇宙的回缩……叫做由。一切的一切（天地万物）都是——由然而生。以后演变为油然而生，系指生命的衍生与水相关。（待续）2013-3-30

Before the formation of the universe, it iscalled zero, heart, the centre of the cosmos, or the beginning of universe. Inancient Buddhism they called the beginning of universe the ocean ofenlightenment, the ocean of the bhūtatathatā or the beginning of life.

The universe was formed by the explosion ofthis beginning point. This procedure is called ‘Ran然’. The retraction of the universe iscalled’ you由’. All andall in the worlds are created from the retraction and expansion of the universe.Afterwards, the ‘you由’developed into another  'you油’. That means the derivation of life is related to thewater氵. (Becontinued) 2013-3-30

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Note：

性海: Theocean of the bhūtatathatā, the all-containing, immaterial nature of thedharmakāya.

Bhūtatathatā: In Buddhism, the truenature, as opposed to the appearance, of the manifest world. It is “That whichreally is”, in contrast to all that is transient, and thus in Mahāyāna, it isthe buddha-nature.

佛教语，梵文Tathatā或Bhūtatathatā。谓永恒存在的实体﹑实性﹐亦即宇宙万有的本体。与实相﹑法界等同义。

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bluewolf 发表于 29-3-2013 07:54 PM

是什麼讓然開始了呀？

由到極致麼？

由到極致又變無

宙心之前是不是還有一個宙心呀？

Bluewolf (members in the forum) asked：What make the Ran然 start? Dose the superlative of ‘you由’ become nothing? Is there another centreof cosmos before this centre of cosmos?  

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画眉回复——

这个就叫做……易。周而复始。叫做道……迎之不见其首，随之不见其尾。叫做圆……无头无尾。叫做佛法自然，道法自然。

Thrush replied: This is called ‘Yi易’. Moving in a circle thus repeating the process againand again is called the way ’Tao 道’.Confront it and there is no beginning; follow it and there is no end. It iscalled a circle which is no beginning or end. It is called Buddha followsNature and the way ’Tao 道’ followsNature.

Lana note: The word ‘Yi易’ consists of two parts, the sun日 and the moon月 meaningtime.

娜西注：易由二个部分组成，日和月，即时间。

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一切……生命、万物——自之然，自然；归零——自之由、自由。亦即，无→有……叫做自然，叫做自然而然。有→无……叫做自由。

从另一个角度看：自然——叫做生命冲动；自由——叫做死亡脉冲。

生命冲动与死亡脉冲——整合了人类的基因印记。这个印记的核心——叫做恋母情结。（待续）2013-3-30

All the lives and creations are thedevelopment of Nature. Returning to zero is from the expansion (Ran然) to the retraction (You由).That is to say ‘nothing goes to something’ and‘something goes to nothing’ so going round on itself.   

From another point of view, ‘nothing goingto something’ is called life impulse; ‘something going to nothing’ is calleddeath pulse.

Life impulse and death pulse are integratedinto the gene impress of human beings. The core of this impression is calledOedipus complex. (Be continued) 2013-3-30

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bluewolf 发表于 29-3-2013 08:11 PM

戀？母？情？結？

bluewolf29-3-201308:11 PM: Oedipus? Complex?

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画眉回复——

佛说：从女口出，从女口入……

佛说的那个从女口出——叫做自之然，自然，自然而然，叫做然，然也；佛说的那个从女口入——叫做自之由，自由……叫做深般若，叫做深宫六院回归燕。

叫做……声声叮咛未曾停，叫做万千年的呼唤，叫做……犹如清风，已经吹拂了5000年，叫做——我今白髪三千丈……叫做，长倚大门外！

人类基因的核心密码——恋母情结。

Huamei (Thrush) replied: Buddha said, outfrom women’s口 and in from women’s口.

Buddha said that out from women’s 口 is called ‘Ran然’, and infrom women’s口 is called ‘You由’. The ‘You由’is thetranscendent wisdom which implies the call of the heavenly mother, all haremsin the deep palace like return swallow flying back home.

The calling which is repeated again andagain over thousands of years is like the wind blowing for five thousand years.They are watching at the door but waiting for a long time, and the white hairhas grown thirty thousand feet long.

The core code of human gene is Oedipuscomplex.

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bluewolf 发表于 29-3-2013 09:57 PM

戀母情結顯現在 RNA 和 DNA 的那一個行為上？  

bluewolf 29-3-2013 09:57 PM: What behaviourdoes Oedipus complex manifest, in RAN or DNA?  

画眉回复——

死亡脉冲……

Huamei (Thrush) replied: The death pulse.

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数字——零、有限数、无限数（无穷大，无穷小）。

实际上零本身就是无限。零包含着所有的有限数，包含着所有的无限数，包含着无穷大、无穷小……

零就是——万有万无！

万有万无又是个什么呢？上帝……

零就是上帝！

所以人类永远找不到上帝……因为上帝是个零。

2013-4-1

The number zero is a limited numberand an infinite number being both infinity and infinitesimal.

Zero, in fact, is infinite itself. Zeroincludes all the limited numbers, infinite numbers, and infinity andinfinitesimal, thus Zero is everything and nothing.

What, after all is everything and nothing?It is God.

Zero is God!

So humans will never ever find God becauseGod is a zero.

bluewolf

Hi there Mr. Cameron, nice to meet you. You have such a decent knowledge of both western and eastern philosophy, and it seems that you spent a lot of time digging up the ancient greek thoughts, so I have this gut feelings that it would be very interesting to understand your philosophy. Though I am still not very clear of what do you mean by "Oxedipus Complex" as well as "Death pulse", I do stand a different view in term of "zero" and "infinity" from you and your friends.

"Zero is God! So humans will never ever find God becauseGod is a zero."
A weird conclusion could be deduce from the above statement:
You are inhuman and you have found the god.

In my opinion, zero is "nothing" and infinity represents "omni".
When we are trying to make some sense out of such any simple things, we ourselves created the infinity, as explained by Hegel.

This has been illustrated by fractals, or we called "the thumbprint of god" today.

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From Cameron
Hi,
You would have to refer to the texts that Lana translated; as the original use of the Oedipus Complex was used on thier forum, and I did not at the time see how it could relate to the subject under discussion.  - thus my comments

From Lana
Dear bluewolf,
Cameron is just a helper who proofread my translation. If you have any question, please go to our Atlantic Forum. 02-04-2013

Roy_Tantra5053

010101010101010101010101，这种常见的二进制代码可以很好的解释0为什么可以是无限，但这不足为奇，只是数学的基本常识。


套用在“神”的领域，我不知道“零”，能不能代表“神”，但主流科学家基本坚信一定会有某些“基本粒子”，扮演着“零”的角色，所以我们才看到变化无穷的宇宙。


但基本上，数学只有0，而没有123456789，那也成就不了无限变化。

其他的读者自己联想～晚安～

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lana2013 发表于 3-4-2013 12:59 AM
From Cameron
Hi,
You would have to refer to the texts that Lana translated; as the original use of ...

Hi, Lana

You have a very in depth knowledge and understanding in mathematic concept with relate its to life phenomena. You must be a scholar. 真是高人隐士，学惯东西。

認同空性無自性，阴阳互抱而合一。無極而太极。

末学在此敬上。