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“阵风”战机和FREMM或找到埃及当买家

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发表于 7-2-2015 02:39 PM | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 cyberjaye 于 7-2-2015 03:15 PM 编辑

印度阵风谈很久都买不成,现在法国在期待埃及来当第一个出口国。
话说回来,24架Rafale+1架FREMM卖 50多亿欧元,还真不是普通的菜头!


Paris, Cairo ‘close to agreement’ on Rafale, FREMM deal worth 5-6 Billion euros

France and Egypt are ‘close to agreement’ on a large scale arms deal that could cost 5-6 billion Euros and include naval vessels and fighter aircraft, La Tribune reports.

The French proposal includes two FREMM multi-mission frigates worth 1.8 billion euros ($2.07 billion), to be built by DCNS, and 20 Rafale combat aircraft from Dassault, worth 3.6 billion euros ($4.15 billion). Both platforms will be armed with missile systems manufactured by MBDA.
The CEOs of these companies visited Cairo this week to promote the deal. This visit was the latest stage in the dialog between the two countries, which also included the visit of Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in Paris in November 2014, followed by a high level Egyptian delegation that discussed the deal for 10 days in December. A French delegation also travelled to Cairo last week, to discuss financial aspects of the project.

While Rafale has yet to strike its first export contract, FREMM, as a multi-national program has been more successful in this realm, providing vessels for three navies. If selected, Egypt would be the fourth FREMM operator after Italy, France and Morocco. Egypt intends to make the FREMM frigate the flagship of the Egyptian Navy and wants to acquire the two frigates as quickly as possible. In consequence, France is ready to deliver vessels currently on order for the French Navy, if the deal is signed soon. Egypt wants to have at least one ship for the planned inauguration ceremony of the expanded Suez Canal planned for 2015.

The Egyptian interest in the FREMM follows the acquisition of four Gowind 2500 corvettes for about one billion euros. The lead corvette will be delivered from France, while the remaining three will be built in Egypt.

The Rafale could be an alternative to Russian or Chinese aircraft the Egyptian Air Force needs to modernize its forces, which currently rely almost exclusively on the Lockheed Martin F-16 supplied by the USA. The latest acquisition of 20 F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft was approved in 2010, but was only partly delivered due a US embargo on weapons delivery to Egypt, which was imposed after the ‘Arab Spring’ of 2011, that lead to the fall of president Moubarak in 2011 and the military coup in 2013 that brought general Sisi to power. Although Washington has since approved the delivery of some of the embargoed weapons, Cairo has not been trusting Washington and is seeking reliable alternative sources.

Rafale seems to be a viable alternative, as Dassault is seeking orders to beef up its production line, which currently produces only one aircraft per month, stretching production of the remaining 43 aircraft ordered for the French Air Force and Navy until 2018, as the F3R upgrades will be introduced.
http://defense-update.com/20150116_cairo_paris_arms_deal.html



“阵风”战机或找到新买家
2015年02月07日
07:00
 法国和埃及正就出售“阵风”战斗机磋商,埃及可能向法国购买24架“阵风”战斗机和一艘护卫舰,总金额50至60亿欧元。“阵风”由法国达索飞机公司制造,号称全球最高效、最精密、最昂贵的多用途战斗机之一。但是,这种“高大上”的战机除法国空军外一直找不到第二个买家;唯一有希望的是印度,谈了多年却至今没有拿下合同。法国《回声报》5日报道,法埃两国已经接近达成交易。值得一提的是,埃及在1981年成为法国“幻影”式战机的首个外国买家。两国近年来经济联系密切,塞西去年6月就任埃及总统以来,法埃关系进一步提升。法国2014年向埃及出售价值10亿欧元的4艘护卫舰,这是两国20年来首次签署如此“大手笔”的军售合同。
http://news.xinhuanet.com/world/2015-02/07/c_127467856.htm


France and Egypt negotiating Rafale fighter jet deal - newspaper

PARIS Thu Feb 5, 2015



(Reuters) - France is in advanced talks to sell Dassault Aviation-built Rafale fighter jets to Egypt for around 6 billion euros ($6.88 billion), Les Echos newspaper reported on Thursday.

Despite exclusive negotiations with India for the last three years, Dassault has still not found a foreign buyer for its multi-role jet, the Rafale, billed to be one of the most effective and sophisticated fighter jets in the world, but also one of the most expensive.

The business daily said the two countries were close to finalising a deal for 24 jets and a naval frigate worth 5 to 6 billion euros.

The deal could be financed by as much as 50 percent through a credit facility arranged by French credit insurer Coface.

A spokesman for Dassault declined to comment.

Paris and Cairo have enjoyed close economic ties in the past but turmoil in the north African state since president Hosni Mubarak was overthrown in 2011 left Western governments wary of signing contracts, especially in the defence sector.

With the recent rise to power of President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, ties have improved and both sides are concerned by the rise of jihadist groups in Libya and Egypt.

France secured its first major military contract in Egypt in about 20 years in 2014 with a 1 billion-euro (880 million pounds) deal to sell four naval frigates.

Senior French officials have repeatedly travelled to Egypt over the last year and Sisi in November undertook a state visit to Paris, where discussions were held about replacing Egypt's fleet of 18 Dassault-made Mirage jets.

Egypt was the first foreign buyer of the Mirage in 1981.

Dassault is under increasing pressure to sell the jet overseas. The French government said last year it would slow the pace at which it takes delivery of Rafale jets, taking just 26 over the next five years instead of 11 a year.

A French delegation in January visited New Delhi to salvage an agreement to supply 126 Rafale fighters to the Indian Air Force which has hit a snag over the local assembly of the planes.

($1 = 0.8715 euros)


(Reporting by John Irish; editing by Andrew Roche)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/02/05/uk-france-egypt-rafale-idUKKBN0L92SW20150205



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 楼主| 发表于 11-2-2015 10:57 PM | 显示全部楼层


好像笑得太早了。。。

http://www.janes.com/article/48883/french-officials-optimistic-about-rafale-sale-to-egypt

French officials optimistic about Rafale sale to Egypt[size=1.3]Frank Gregory, Paris and Jeremy Binnie, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
[size=1.3]10 February 2015

A French Air Force Rafale is prepared for a mission over Mali in 2013. (French MoD)
France is optimistic that it will secure a contract to sell Dassault Rafale multirole fighters to Egypt, the head of the General Directorate for Armament (DGA) said on 9 February.
"We are all smiles," Laurent Collet-Billon told journalists during the French defence procurement agency's annual press briefing. "We are optimistic even though there is still some work to be done."
Although he did not confirm reports that Egypt would order 24 Rafales, Collet-Billon said the first delivery could take place as soon as 2018.
The Rafales that Dassault is currently assembling for the French Air Force at its Mérignac facility are mostly two seaters with nuclear weapons-related equipment, but the company could start diverting French jets to Egypt once these are completed.

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 楼主| 发表于 12-2-2015 02:37 PM | 显示全部楼层
就在上一周,媒体报道俄罗斯已拿下了塞浦路斯的军事设施。如此一来,俄罗斯在塞浦路斯和叙利亚的军事基地就能遥相呼应,形成犄角之势,我们当时评论说这是要在军事上对叙利亚作保,应对的是美国花5亿美元培训15000名叙利亚反对派武装对叙利亚政府构成的威胁。几天后的2月9日至10日,普京访问了埃及,埃及总统塞西在机场热情迎接普京。普京送给塞西的礼物是一把AK47步枪,其内涵非常值得玩味。在占豪看来,这是普京在向塞西表示俄罗斯的希望,即俄希望与埃及加强政治军事合作,枪口瞄准中东。

另一方面,埃及也对Mig-35非常有兴趣。普京在向塞西表示俄罗斯的希望的同时,也可能便宜出售Mig-35以争取埃及的支持!
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 楼主| 发表于 13-2-2015 03:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 cyberjaye 于 13-2-2015 03:42 PM 编辑

这是印度部长级人马首次公开说可能以SU30取代Rafale

India Eyes Cheaper, Reliable Russian Su-30 Jets as Rafale Deal Stalls
© AFP 2015/ Dibyangshu SARKAR




BUSINESS13:23 12.02.2015(updated 15:48 12.02.2015)
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The Indian government has not taken the final decision on the purchase of Russian SU-30 aircraft yet, however, noted that the French jet fighter was costly.

[url=]© AP PHOTO/ AIJAZ RAHI[/url]

India May Buy Su-30 if Rafale Deal Falls Through: Defense Ministry Source

NEW DELHI (Sputnik) — India still has not decided if it will purchase Su-30MKI multirole fighters over France's Rafale fighters, but the Russian jets are reliable and cheaper, Indian Minister for External Affairs in the North Eastern Region Vijay Kumar Singh told Sputnik on Thursday.
"The French jet fighter is costly. But as far as the SU-30 is concerned, it's cheap and reliable. The government has so far not taken the final decision," the minister said.
The statement came after the Indian Air Force said in January it could not confirm media reports that India wanted to scrap the Rafale deal with France and buy Russian jets instead.


[url=]© AFP 2015/ DIBYANGSHU SARKAR[/url]

Scrapping Rafale Deal in Favor of Su-30MKI Optimal for India: Think Tank

Several local media outlets reported in recent days that India could pull out of a deal with France's Dassault Aviation on the purchase of 126 Rafale multirole fighter aircraft and go for Russian-designed Su-30 jets instead. Reasons cited by Indian media outlets included France's reluctance to pass on technologies to the Indian side and an increase in the price of the jets.
In January, a source in the Indian Defense Ministry told Sputnik that the country had not made a decision regarding the purchase of the Rafale jets. According to the source, Su-30s are seen as an alternative if the deal with France falls through.


[url=]© SPUTNIK[/url]

Su-30 Multirole fighter







Read more: http://sputniknews.com/business/20150212/1018158342.html#ixzz3RbnomxdB
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发表于 13-2-2015 11:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
美國戰機那麼多,印度都不考慮f15,f16,f18.
看來印度還是很親俄羅斯的。
被俄羅斯宰也好,讓俄羅斯喘口氣。
有利於金磚國家的發展。
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 楼主| 发表于 13-2-2015 11:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
alex92 发表于 13-2-2015 11:46 PM
美國戰機那麼多,印度都不考慮f15,f16,f18.
看來印度還是很親俄羅斯的。
被俄羅斯宰也好,讓俄羅斯喘口氣 ...

T50印度出了几亿,到现在也还没摸到一下T50。
还要拿很多钱出来,而且还要等双座的。
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发表于 14-2-2015 09:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
alex92 发表于 13-2-2015 11:46 PM
美國戰機那麼多,印度都不考慮f15,f16,f18.
看來印度還是很親俄羅斯的。
被俄羅斯宰也好,讓俄羅斯喘口氣 ...

美国制裁过印度,所以印度对美国很不信任
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发表于 14-2-2015 10:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
pznal 发表于 14-2-2015 09:07 PM
美国制裁过印度,所以印度对美国很不信任

為什麼制裁印度?
因為印度種蘑菇?
穆迪也被美國制裁過
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发表于 15-2-2015 06:44 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
埃及都打算组成2个中队了。之前法国还说要用马来西亚改装追风级的经验,把 gowind class 加吨然后卖给埃及,现在改卖 FREMM也不错。

美国就是那么蛇王,说好要卖但是到最后不是不交货就是说你不民主然后透过卫星关闭战机。
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发表于 16-2-2015 01:51 AM | 显示全部楼层
阵风卖不出去的,性能一般,又贵的离谱。
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 楼主| 发表于 16-2-2015 10:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
梦魇蝴蝶 发表于 16-2-2015 01:51 AM
阵风卖不出去的,性能一般,又贵的离谱。

SU30MKI趁阵风势弱,要拿阵风的命了!


[size=1.8]Air Platforms
Irkut aims to complete Su-30MKI deliveries to India in 2015

[size=1.3]Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
[size=1.3]15 February 2015

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The Irkut Corporation has stated that it will complete deliveries in 2015 of Sukhoi Su-30MKI multirole fighter kits to India's state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) as part of the Russian group's technology transfer obligations.
HAL has been licence building the Su-30MKI aircraft for the Indian Air Force (IAF) since 2000. Irkut said in a press release on 15 February that at the conclusion of deliveries later this year, the corporation would have transferred a total of 222 kits for assembly at HAL's Nashik facility in western India.
Supported by a "complete transfer of technology" Irkut said HAL is now manufacturing Su-30MKI parts from raw materials.




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发表于 17-2-2015 05:13 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
埃及簽約了
http://mobile.english.rfi.fr/africa/20150217-france-egypt-sign-rafale-deal-cairo-bombs
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 楼主| 发表于 17-2-2015 05:41 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 cyberjaye 于 18-2-2015 05:45 PM 编辑

法国这次发达了!
1FREMM+24Rafale要价马币超过200亿。这个价钱,我军。希望埃及不要反悔,要不然像邻国利比亚那样反悔不买阵风,然后被阵风炸

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Egypt signs 5.2 billion-euro deal for French jets, ships and missiles
CAIRO Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:15pm EST

(Reuters) - Egypt signed a 5.2 billion-euro deal to buy French weaponry on Monday, Egyptian media said, in a move Cairo hopes will boost its military power as fears grow of conflict in neighboring Libya spilling over its border.

The agreement is for 24 Rafale combat jets made by Dassault Aviation, a multi-mission naval frigate, and air-to-air missiles.

Egyptian defense minister Sidqi Sobqi signed the deal with his French counterpart Jean-Yves Le Drian in a ceremony in the presence of President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi and a French delegation that included the manufacturers, state news agency MENA said.

(Reporting Ahmed Tolba; Writing by Shadi Bushra; Editing by Andrew Roche)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/16/us-egypt-france-arms-idUSKBN0LK1KK20150216

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发表于 18-2-2015 12:11 AM | 显示全部楼层
梦魇蝴蝶 发表于 16-2-2015 01:51 AM
阵风卖不出去的,性能一般,又贵的离谱。


性能很像很好,他們說到演習時勝f18

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发表于 18-2-2015 03:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
alex92 发表于 17-2-2015 04:11 PM
性能很像很好,他們說到演習時勝f18

F18本就是在70年代和F16竞标失败的产品,后因F14使用成本过高国会把F18硬塞给海军。
F18的底子是三代机中较差的,而且不是空优机,后期改进也只是升级航电、增加载重系数,输给阵风很正常。
阵风说到底还是中型机,在作战效能上和重型机是有差距的,况且机体结构和气动设计是纯粹的三代机,所谓准四代或者准五代只是个噱头,无非是在多功能扩展上比J10B强一些,不可能加个准字就能超巡超机动隐形。
受制机身体积和载重,无法搭载功率更大的雷达、功能更多的航电、威力更大的导弹/炸弹,也就是说一架重型机,即使只装配和阵风同档次的设备,其作战效能也必然强于阵风。
阵风和台风来回折腾就是因为没钱、没大推,想搞重型机也有心无力。李家坡和棒子宁愿买F15SG/F15K,也不买所谓的准四代准五代。
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本帖最后由 cyberjaye 于 18-2-2015 05:32 PM 编辑
alex92 发表于 18-2-2015 12:11 AM
性能很像很好,他們說到演習時勝f18

话说回来,这次阵风得感谢那个黑到不能再黑的   放阵风一马!
自从印度有意思买阵风,黑到不能再黑的  就开始转而support阵风。
之后阵风一路当黑:要谈成的巴西吹了,UAE投诉阵风贵,连印度和我军都一拖再拖。
还好黑到不能再黑的  ,这次没唱阵风。要不然埃及肯定买Mig35。
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 楼主| 发表于 18-2-2015 05:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 cyberjaye 于 12-4-2015 11:45 PM 编辑
梦魇蝴蝶 发表于 18-2-2015 03:22 PM
F18本就是在70年代和F16竞标失败的产品,后因F14使用成本过高国会把F18硬塞给海军。
F18的底子是三代机 ...

24 Rafale + 1Fremm = 211亿马币

假设Fremm要价19亿马币,那阵风每架就要8亿马币了!
假设Fremm要价31亿马币,那阵风每架也要7.5亿马币!

这么高的价位,吃水很深。


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http://www.nanyang.com/node/681963?tid=461
弃中国“枭龙” 埃及购法“阵风”战机


(巴黎14日讯)法国国际广播电台星期五报道,埃及将向法国购买24架“阵风”战机和一艘护卫舰,这是法国总统奥朗德刚刚对外宣布的一则消息。
军售合同将于本月16日在开罗签署。
法国国防部长勒德里昂将前往开罗签署总额达52亿欧元(约211亿令吉)军售合同。
联合生产枭龙受拖延
鉴于采购项目耗资52亿欧元,在考虑到埃及的军费水平下,该国显然不大可能同时推进谈判已久的与中国和巴基斯坦联合生产“枭龙”战斗机项目。
事实上,从去年开始,多家外媒报道称联合生产“枭龙”的谈判已到关键阶段,惟“受到政治因素的影响”而出现拖延。
据报道,埃及在1月表达希望法国尽快交付这批战机和护卫舰的意愿。
埃及方面表示,在今年夏季苏伊士运河扩建工程完工庆典上,希望能够派上用场。
据悉,为了加快交付进程,勒德里昂在开罗签字后,达索飞机制造公司在法组装的阵风战机将率先支付给新买家埃及,法国空军所需战机将滞后。
按照此前签订的合同,法国向埃及空军支付24架阵风战机的预期仅会从2018年开始。





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