怀疑买门受骗记

hou_321k

确定被骗了。其实她换给我都门，就是外面卖最便宜那些。大家可以看看那个model code. 也打去那间店问了。描述几乎一样。semi- mix wood door. 女老板讲的是solid wood. 已经骂她一轮了，她也不敢和我收另外的120 和300 块的按门费。不管了 。我还要回去拿回我因该得到的赔偿！

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话说那天和爸妈去了家附近的家私店买门。经过一番挑选，决定和哪位女老板订了4 副solid wood grade B 的门.
价钱是一个 rm 260, 外加锁头rm 35 和机器喷漆一副门rm 150. 就是说一副门共花费rm 445. 也一次过把钱付完，共rm 1780.妈妈还骂我为什么一次过付完

然后尺寸方面我回家叫印尼工人量给她。

印尼工人说如果喷完漆才拿来，不如叫女老板自己来量准准吧，不然以后门还要割的时候会弄到门的表面不美，因为人工油漆和机器是没有办法比拟的。我也觉得有道理，因为用了rm 150 来喷一个门也不便宜。所以最后我也叫那位女老板来帮我量门。

过几天女老板来了，她说我家的门框是旧的，我那天订的门做便便了的，如果要要不麻烦在割门的话，可以介绍另外一个门给我，那个门她可以直接和她的供应商拿货，但是就要加钱，一个门加rm 30, 然后还告诉我说那个门品质不一样，它是solid mix wood。我就问和我那天选的门有什么不一样？
女老板说差不多一样咯，声音有一点分别，但是也是solid wood。如果要好一点就要加rm 80. 我的妈呀～ 还要加那么多。
最后我选了rm 30 那个。

等了大约一个月～ 门终于送来了。   
经过我的验货过后，我觉得那个品质和我当初选哪个门差天共地!!
敲打下去的声音很空！ 就是扑扑声，而且手没有痛的感觉，好像随时可以把那个门打穿酱
但是我第一天去选的门是很硬的。那个叫做差一点点吗？选了一个品质差那么多的门还要另外加钱?!

所以我就闹到女老板哪里去，她说那个肯定是solid wood, 人家叫做durian wood, 而我那天选的是mebao wood(不懂有拼错吗）
我问她可以解释那个声音为什么那么空吗？
她说他们的木没有怎样怎样，不然门会爆,所以声音就是酱（什么烂解释？？）
她在三确定那个是solid wood,
但是那天我的橱柜师父敲了两下，他也有怀疑～ 他说用300块买酱的门肯定被骗了（不加喷漆）加进去就是450了。
问题是～ 我现在要如何确定那个是不是solid wood. 女老板死讲已经得到我的同意才换这个门给我，但是那天她跟我说声音和品质差一点点我才换的，而且还要加钱。好吧，我就不和他纠结那个门是我确定要的，差一点点在不同的人定义是不一样的，就当我学到一的教训当初为什么不去验了门才下订。
我要确定的是! 那个到底是不是solid wood! 橱柜师父教我去挑战她把门破开开来验货，如果不是solid wood 就可以告女老板了。

请问大家有什么意见吗？感激不尽～

而且也在这里劝告各位网友～订货前一定要看过实物才下订。就算厂家打电话来讲没货也好，什么都好～换其他产品也是要回去在三确认那件货的品质～

舞猫猫

她说你选的那个是叫Merbau，Durian wood倒没有听说过  

kylekoay

买榴莲丢她就有！确定是骗你的话，敢敢挑战她，叫有经验的人去，如果破开不是，叫她全部钱退还给你。破一个就够她死了

UnderCat

Merbau有听说过，durian wood?
叫你的橱柜师傅帮你从门的上方往下钻个洞还是要夠深的那种，如果切定是solid门的话再把洞口用木泥補回去就行了。

联顺室内设计

肯定骗你的，哪有durian wood? 你问她不喜欢durian wood能不能换papaya wood。。。

hou_321k

越想越不服气～ 明天敢敢对准那个豆腐格钻洞下去！！！
花了rm1900 来受气。什么烂商家

富富

我问到的 honeycomb 的门都要近 400 咯，那种价钱应该不是 solid wood 吧

喜欢幸运

solid wood应该没那么便宜。。

moon83

直接拿其中一道门来挑战她吧！如果不是ＳＯＬＩＤ　ＷＯＯＤ的话，不用讲这么多直接告她上消费人协会．　
以你这样讲的话，敲下去空的话不会是ＳＯＬＩＤ的，　而且如楼上说的ＳＯＬＩＤ没有这么便宜的．　

為何呢

LZ, 上两个月我在fair订购了solid wood的门，他们是给selangan batu， 油漆 + 两个锁 + 4个hinges + 包载送是 RM470。
那个门很重，风似乎吹不动它，装修佬说便宜。

hou_321k

為何呢 发表于 10-8-2014 01:47 PM
LZ, 上两个月我在fair订购了solid wood的门，他们是给selangan batu， 油漆 + 两个锁 + 4个hinges + 包载送 ...

对啊～我的也是给了差不多那个价钱。结果她的货来到货不对版。死命说是我答应了的。但是我们那里懂差一点点就是给我那种外面五金店才卖百多的门。
我在三对比了，我敲打那个门的声音和外面那种百多的声音很像。而且已经有两位装修老讲是便宜木。有一位讲分分钟是grade C 门。但是我叫他们喷了漆比较难确认。多几天有另一位师父来帮我装衣柜。如果三位师父都那么说，我敢敢把他闹大～不然当我们消费者很好骗！

monster.inc

叫別家賣門的店看看才知道是什麼木料。

monster.inc

榴蓮木真的可以做門的。
http://woodwizard.my/report.asp?AttrID=3&ItemID=29

INTRODUCTION


The Standard Malaysian Name for the timber of Coelostegia spp., Durio spp., Kostermansia sp. and Neesia spp. (Bombacaceae). Vernacular names applied include durian (Peninsular Malaysia, Sabah and Sarawak) with various epithets as well as other localised names too numerous to list here. Major species include Coelostegia borneensis, C. griffithii; Durio carinatus, D. grandiflorus, D. graveolens, D. lowianus, D. malaccensis, D. oxleyanus, D. singaporensis, D. wyatt-smithii, D. zibethinus; Kostermansia malayana; Neesia altissima, N. kostermansiana, N. malayana and N. synandra. The sapwood is almost white in Durio, pale yellow in Neesia and light orange-yellow in Coelostegia and is sharply defined in Durio and Neesia but only moderately sharply defined in Coelostegia, from the heartwood, which is pink-brown, grey-brown, brown with a red tinge or light orange-brown.

Also known as Durian (Brunei); Bengang, Durian, Durian hantu, Ki bengang and Sibengang (Indonesia); Durian and Stemmed-durian (Philippines); and Chang haek and Turian (Thailand).


DENSITY


Durian is a Light Hardwood with a density of 420-865 kg/m3 air dry.


NATURAL DURABILITY


Four species of durian were tested for their durability by the standard graveyard test and the results indicated that durian timbers are not durable if exposed to natural Malaysian weather conditions. The test samples with dimension of 50 mm x 50 mm x 600 mm were destroyed in a relatively short period of time, for example, Neesia altissima (1.5 years), Durio lowianus (1.7 years) and Coelostegia griffithii (1.5 years) (Mohd Dahlan Jantan et. al., 1987). However, it should be stressed here that the above durability ratings are only applicable to Malaysia where termites are common and fungi are very active throughout the year. In temperate countries, however, the threat of 'infestation' by both insects and fungi are very much reduced and the durability of the timber will be greatly extended.


PRESERVATIVE TREATMENT


It is easy to treat with preservatives.


TEXTURE


Texture is moderately coarse to coarse and even in Neesia but uneven in Durio and Coelostegia, with straight to slightly interlocked grain.


STRENGTH PROPERTIES


The timber falls into Strength Group C (Engku, 1988b) or SG 6 (MS 544art 2:2001).


Strength Properties of Durian

Species

Test Condition

Modulus of Elasticity (MPa)

Modulus of Rupture (MPa)

Compression parallel to grain (MPa)

Compression perpendicular to grain (MPa)

Shear Strength (MPa)

C. griffithii

Green

14,300

71

38.5

4.00

8.3

Air dry

15,800

95

53.9

5.65

9.2

D. oxleyanus

Green

10,600

55

27.4

2.96

7.2

Air dry

11,700

74

39.0

4.14

8.0

N. altissima

Green

8,600

51

26.5

2.59

5.9

Air dry

9,500

65

32.5

2.72

6.8



MACHINING PROPERTIES

It is easy to slightly difficult to resaw and easy to difficult to cross-cut. Planing is easy to moderately easy and the planed surface is smooth to moderately smooth and sometimes even rough, especially in the radial boards.



Machining Properties of Durian

Species

Test Condition

Sawing

Planing

Boring

Turning

Re-sawing

Cross Cutting

Ease of planing

Quality of finish

Ease of boring

Quality of finish

Ease of turning

Quality of finish

C.
griffithii

Green

fairly easy

difficult

easy

moderately smooth

slightly difficult

moderately smooth

-

-

Air dry

slightly difficult

difficult

moderately easy

moderately smooth

slightly difficult

moderately smooth

slightly difficult

moderately difficult

D.
oxleyanus

Green

easy

easy

easy

smooth

easy

fairly smooth

-

-

Air dry

easy

easy

easy

smooth

easy

fairly smooth

easy

rough

D. zibethinus

Green

easy

easy

easy

moderately smooth

easy

moderately smooth

-

-

Air dry

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

N. altissima

Green

easy

easy

easy

rough, especially radial

easy

rough

-

-

Air dry

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-





NAILING PROPERTY


Nailing property ranges from good to excellent.


AIR DRYING


Seasoning properties vary according to species, which are summarised as follows:

Species

Time to air dry (months)

Remarks

13 mm
thick boards

38 mm
thick boards

C. griffithii

2.5

3.5

Moderately fast drying; moderate staining; slight dimensional movement and splits; shrinkage low.

D. oxleyanus

3

4

Fairly slow drying; moderate insect attack; slight cupping; shrinkage high.

N. altissima

1.5-2

3-4

Moderately fast drying; slight end-checking and splitting; average shrinkage.
















KILN-DRYING

Kiln Schedule D is tentatively recommended for the drying of durian timbers. The timber of durian can be kiln-dried at a moderately fast rate with only slight twisting except for the timber of D. oxleyanus, which requires up to 1.5 months to dry boards of 70 mm x 127 mm with variable lengths. It is also recommended that sawn timber of durian be air dried for a minimum period of 2 weeks before being kiln-dried to save on cost.



Kiln Schedule D

Moisture Content (%)

Temperature
(Dry Bulb)

Temperature
(Wet Bulb)

Relative Humidity (%) (approx.)

° F

° C

° F

° C

Green

105

40.5

101

38.0

85

60

105

40.5

99

37.0

80

40

105

40.5

96

35.5

70

35

110

43.5

97

36.0

60

30

115

46.0

97

36.0

50

25

125

51.5

101

38.0

40

20

140

60.0

105

40.5

30

15

150

65.5

112

44.5

30



SHRINKAGE


Shrinkage varies according to species, which are summarised as follows:

Species

Shrinkage (%) (Green to air dry)

Radial

Tangential

C. griffithii

1.3

1.6

D. oxleyanus

2.4

4

N. altissima

1.3

2.4



MOVEMENT IN SERVICE

The movement of seasoned timber is classified under Type IV.


DEFECTS

The logs of all the timber producing species of the Bombacaceae are normally sound and free of defects except for a small area of sponginess around the pith, and damage by ambrosia and, occasionally, longicorn beetles. An area of 2 to 3 inches (51 to 76 mm) of sponginess has been observed in logs of Durio spp. and Neesia altissima but the compression failures usually associated with this type of defect have not been encountered. The timber of species of Durio contains abundant starch, and, although not very susceptible to sap stain, is liable to attack by all forms of wood-boring insects and to heavy infestation by Lyctus. On the other hand, the limited amount of material of N. altissima that has been examined contained very little starch and was attacked only by a small number of pin-hole borers.  


USES


The timber is suitable for light construction under cover, flooring, door and window frames, panelling, mouldings, partitioning, planking, joinery, cabinet making, furniture, cooling tower (non-structural purposes), railway sleepers, pallets (expendable type), plywood, joists (for light construction only), wooden sandals and low grade coffins.

hou_321k

确定被骗了。其实她换给我都门，就是外面卖最便宜那些。大家可以看看那个model code. 也打去那间店问了。描述几乎一样。semi- mix wood door. 女老板讲的是solid wood. 已经骂她一轮了，她也不敢和我收另外的120 和300 块的按门费。不管了 。我还要回去拿回我因该得到的赔偿！

BlazeA4

货没送到却一次过付清确实是最蠢的行为

hayashi87

的確有durian门，价钱比merbau便宜，也比较轻些。。。