台风在阿联酋又有进展！

Boilwater

台风目前全球现役约有700架，还有7国571架的订单在手。订单之中包括阿联酋的好邻居沙特和阿曼！
阿联酋之前用的是法国战机，打算换新战机时也最先跟法国谈，可惜后勤谈不拢触礁了。
跟据军事杂志的报道，法国战机后勤超贵，连富国阿联酋都受不了，所以才要考虑台风！

UAE Air Force locked in Eurofighter talks

Jul 9, 2013





Representatives from BAE Systems, Eads, Eurojet and MBDA, the companies behind the Eurofighter Typhoon, have been locked in discussions with Air Force officials this week.
Tony Gilchrist, BAE Systems' vice president for air programmes who is leading discussions on behalf of the consortium, said: "We have been in dialogue for several months with the Air Force.
"We have also started talking with the Department of General Procurement at the Air Force and the discussions are in a good place, amicable and there is a mutual understanding between us."
The UAE has been in talks with a number of nations to procure advanced multi-role aircraft, including the French manufacturer Dassault for its Rafale fighter.
Mr Gilchrist, in Abu Dhabi to attend the Tawazun Economic Council and BAE Systems industrial workshop, said the UAE Air Force's demands for the new jets included installing sophisticated weapons systems.
"What is being discussed is the most advanced Typhoon when compared to the existing fleet or any orders that have been made," he said. "An extremely capable and very advanced fighter jet has been asked of us by the Air Force."
Alan Sparkes, the director of cooperative programmes at MBDA, the missile systems maker for the Eurofighter, said the UAE's requirements included the most advanced weapons in the world placed together in one aircraft.
"These capabilities include a beyond visual range air-to-air missile with high accuracy," Mr Sparkes said.
Although the demands put forward by the UAE are challenging, Mr Gilchrist said he was confident they could be delivered.
"The UAE Air Force's capability requirements are highly ambitious but deliverable because of the strength of the European partnership and its expertise," he said.
There are more than 700 Typhoons in air forces around the world, with 571 aircraft on order by seven nations including Saudi Arabia and Oman.
Part of ongoing discussions in the fighter deal is training, education and technology transfer with the UAE, Mr Gilchrist said.
BAE Systems Middle East and Africa and Khalifa University in Abu Dhabi already operate a programme to train students.
A major structural component of the jets will be developed by UAE company Tawazun Precision Industries.
"We are trying to get kids straight out of school into apprenticeships within our consortium," said Mr Gilchrist.
"Education and training in technology, aerospace and engineering for Emiratis is a key focus for us."
He added that the consortium is looking for Emiratis to form part of a highly capable workforce to participate in research and development.
Saif Al Hajeri, chief executive of Tawazun Economic Council, said its strategy was aligned with the UAE's vision for economic diversification and aimed to develop technology transfer from leading experts to help build national capabilities.
"Through such forums, TEC aims to provide a platform to both local industry and international partners to communicate best practices, to exchange knowledge, and to look into potential strategic initiatives and cooperation opportunities," Mr Al Hajeri said.
This year the Eurofighter lost out to Rafale over a US$10 billion (Dh36.7bn) contract in India for 126 jet fighters.
Mr Gilchrist said that despite the Rafale being given the L1 rating by the Indian ministry of defence, which means they would be first to present and offer a contract, his company was closely watching the negotiations between Dassault and the Indian government.
"If the L1, Rafale, is not able to fulfil the negotiation demands, then Eurofighter would be given the chance," he said.
"We are still optimistic in India. This is by no way a done deal for our French friends. We are ready to re-enter discussions."


http://www.thenational.ae/news/u ... talks#ixzz2ZBs2XwDs

RSSFORMIDABLE

请问具体进展是什么？

相关uae会和bae谈判事情的报导都有了

这是进展吗？

法国战机后勤超贵一事有证据吗？

風大浪高

军事杂志的报道，法国战机后勤超贵，连富国阿联酋都受不了，所以才要考虑台风！

什么军事杂志的报道？估计法国战斗机的后勤不便宜。但台风的后勤会比阵风的便宜，倒是第一次听说。

Boilwater

英国空军拟延长“台风”战机服役间隔以节约成本


7月9日电 据中国国防科技信息网报道，英国皇家空军正在与BAE系统公司磋商延长欧洲战斗机“台风”的服役间隔问题。
    据BAE透露，双方拟议将“台风”的服役间隔由目前的400个飞行小时延长到500个飞行小时。该举措不但能够提高该机型的前线使用可用度，一旦飞机全部服役后，还能带来约合1.53亿美元的节约。
　　双方6月26日宣布的协议是在BAE通过“详细的分析”，确保变更不会影响“台风”飞行安全之后达成的。变更的具体内容包括更新该机的工程与维修数据，以及修订相关的使用手册等。英国防装备与保障组织（DE&S）的Simon Ellard上校认为，从安全角度讲，此次变更将“确保检查和维修都在恰当的间隔期间内实施，并以数千小时的飞行数据和证据为依据”，因而在飞行安全方面前进了一大步。
    据悉，英国皇家空军现有106架“台风”战斗机。这些飞机主要供设在鲁赫斯和克科斯比两个空军基地的6个飞行中队使用。

http://www.sosolm.com/junshixinwen/8980.html

Boilwater

台风的cockpit几乎看不到传统的机械仪表。

RSSFORMIDABLE

奇怪了  为何有和主题不一样的帖子？

WHY~G

法国战机的后勤确实比起其它的战机来的贵，
那个简单的例子，
法国的幻影2000战斗机在台湾的后勤，比起F16还来得贵上两倍。
同样的情况也出现在UAE,印度等国。
阵风为何那么贵？直接的原因是数量太少，导致零件不能够被大量生产，
生产了也没有买家，所以营运成本就大大地增加了。

Boilwater

WHY~G 发表于 16-7-2013 09:09 PM
法国战机的后勤确实比起其它的战机来的贵，
那个简单的例子，
法国的幻影2000战斗机在台湾的后勤，比起F1 ...

比幻影２０００更可怕的是达索的阵风全球只有法国空军一个签约买家，而且法国空军已经因为阵风的技术受限而确定不会买下原本预算的数量。

因此，当阿联酋要求阵风的后勤给予合理的价格，阵风就被自己判Out了。

某些没有据实报道的媒体人不是不知道这点。之所以没有据实报道阵风的spare parts超级贵，这是因为顾客打了广告当然要维护顾客。他们不惜刊登４代机阵风可以打５代机的新闻，也不理阵风工厂已经停工的事实！至于，我军买不买的起spare parts，他们跟本不在乎！

树头

维护亦需要化天文数字,双风果真是海湾暴发户的玩偶,穷人家真消费不起。

Boilwater

树头 发表于 17-7-2013 12:02 AM
维护亦需要化天文数字,双风果真是海湾暴发户的玩偶,穷人家真消费不起。

台风目前全球现役约有700架，还有7国571架的订单在手。
未来全球的天空将会有最少１２７１架台风。
这１２７１架台风需要的spare sparts足以量产，台风的spare sparts供应量肯定比阵风便宜很多且稳定不会断单。

waja2000

RSSFORMIDABLE 发表于 16-7-2013 03:45 PM
请问具体进展是什么？

相关uae会和bae谈判事情的报导都有了

具体进展只能说50%对50%，
以UAE来说，以当地情阿拉伯情况和气候来看用台风是比较适合，如果以工业或政治来说阵风的机会比较大.  看最终的取决的要求。但各种谈判都是在凹价钱.

waja2000

树头 发表于 17-7-2013 12:02 AM
维护亦需要化天文数字,双风果真是海湾暴发户的玩偶,穷人家真消费不起。

这个没有办法， 难道要买美国的产品？ 除了政治力量来使阿拉伯国家购买之外， 应该不大会很多国家买美国战斗机（新战机），俄罗斯飞机经过是一代使用， 性能和耐用性， 阿拉伯国家也相当了解了

Boilwater

waja2000 发表于 17-7-2013 03:19 PM
具体进展只能说50%对50%，
以UAE来说，以当地情阿拉伯情况和气候来看用台风是比较适合，如果以工业或政 ...

你太乐观了！
台风现役超过700台，而且还有几百台已签约的订单。
阵风现役120台，而且除法国外已签约的订单为零！
两者的后勤差异可想而知！
而且，UAE已经跟法国谈后勤两次了都不满意才跟台风locked in talk!

MARK-II

waja2000 发表于 17-7-2013 03:19 PM
具体进展只能说50%对50%，
以UAE来说，以当地情阿拉伯情况和气候来看用台风是比较适合，如果以工业或政 ...

阿拉伯氣候比大馬熱, 在今年LIMA所見, 台風很嬌貴, 在停機坪有抽濕機專門伺候.
其他飛機如超級大黃蜂, Sukhoi,陣風,Gripen,都沒見使用.


買到台風......,真的哭三聲.

需要我貼照片出來證明一下嗎?

Boilwater

MARK-II 发表于 17-7-2013 05:00 PM
阿拉伯氣候比大馬熱, 在今年LIMA所見, 台風很嬌貴, 在停機坪有抽濕機專門伺候.
其他飛機如超級大黃蜂, S ...

台风如果真的不能在热带使用，沙特会牛到买了72架台风又要再增购吗？

按惯例每次有黑唱衰台风，台风就会很快行大运公布好消息！相信这次也不会例外。

究竟这次是韩国or阿联酋有好消息又或是其它的好消息，让我们拭目以待！

waja2000

MARK-II 发表于 17-7-2013 05:00 PM
阿拉伯氣候比大馬熱, 在今年LIMA所見, 台風很嬌貴, 在停機坪有抽濕機專門伺候.
其他飛機如超級大黃蜂, S ...

没错， 阿拉伯气候炎热和干燥，甚至高达40～60度， 所以台风的引擎推力比较大，在抗炎热气候有优势，毕竟气候越炎热，引擎的性能就下降. 所以一般来说阿拉伯比较需要大推力的引擎战机，不过这个只是其中一个采购因素。 当然大马超湿度的台风很受不了， 需要抽湿机。

風大浪高

waja2000 发表于 17-7-2013 05:19 PM
没错， 阿拉伯气候炎热和干燥，甚至高达40～60度， 所以台风的引擎推力比较大，在抗炎热气候有优势，毕竟 ...

没有抽湿会怎样？会不会就此患上风湿？

Boilwater

MARK-II 发表于 28-12-2012 11:44 PM
BAE善於在媒體造勢，模糊公眾焦點，奈何台風價格缺乏競爭力，且大馬已多年不向BAE買武器，注定將白忙一場 ...

XX口一开,BAE马上有生意上门, 很黑一下.

Boustead Naval Shipyard Sdn Bhd (“BNS”), has issued a LETTER OF AWARD (“the LOA”) dated 14 March 2013 to the subsidiary of BHIC, Contraves Advanced Devices Sdn Bhd (“CAD”) to supply BAE Systems Bofors Medium Calibre Gun 57 Mk3 with Stealth Cupola complete with simulator and ammunition range table for the LCS Programme (“the Awarded Works”) at a total value of Swedish Krona Three Hundred Seventy Five Million (SEK375,000,000), which is equivalent to Ringgit Malaysia One Hundred Eighty Two Million Two Hundred and Fifty Thousand (RM182,250,000), over an implementation period of up to ten (10) years from the Commencement Date of the Awarded Works.

waja2000

風大浪高 发表于 17-7-2013 05:57 PM
没有抽湿会怎样？会不会就此患上风湿？

潮湿将导致电磁继电器、半导体元件、集成电路等设备的绝缘性降低。由于潮湿可造成飞机电子仪器的故障。
潮湿度高的空气中将造成绝缘失灵；电机在潮湿的空气中，将造成金属部件的氧化腐蚀，导致断线事故的发生。
舱内空气太干燥会使乘员感到不适；舱内空气湿度过大会使空调系统结冰，舱内出现滴水和雾气，座舱玻璃结雾并影响电子设备

Felipawn

風大浪高 发表于 16-7-2013 05:19 PM
什么军事杂志的报道？估计法国战斗机的后勤不便宜。但台风的后勤会比阵风的便宜，倒是第一次听说。{:what ...

不确定台风后勤是否会比阵风便宜，但可确定的是UAE不满阵风的价格。

EAU, Rafale is too expensive for UAE
French President Francois Hollande discussed the possibility of the UAE buying Rafale fighter jets during his visit to the Gulf country and said a deal hinged on price.
"We think it's a very good plane ... We have said so to our Emirati friends and they don't disagree," Hollande told a news conference in Dubai during a day-long visit to the United Arab Emirates. "After that, it's a question of price."