[20點協議]，大家知道/记得吗？

ralph_d

相信大家都知道，马来西亚不是1957年8月31日成立，而是1963年9月16日。当时沙巴和联邦政府在“成立”（不是“加入”）马来西亚的时候达成了20点协议
你们还记得吗？

Point 1: Religion
While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia there should be no State religion in North Borneo, and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to North Borneo

这一点现在好像很多人不知道... 做么在搞某某function要baca doa之类的...
沙巴没有state religion的eh...

Point 2: Language
a. Malay should be the national language of the Federation
b. English should continue to be used for a period of 10 years after Malaysia Day
c. English should be an official language of North Borneo for all purposes, State or Federal, without limitation of time.

不是马来文ok?
要做什么urusan rasmi应该用英文... 这一点也被忽略了...

Point 3: Constitution
Whilst accepting that the present Constitution of the Federation of Malaya should form the basis of the Constitution of Malaysia, the Constitution of Malaysia should be a completely new document drafted and agreed in the light of a free association of states and should not be a series of amendments to a Constitution drafted and agreed by different states in totally different circumstances. A new Constitution for North Borneo (Sabah) was of course essential.

这个有谁懂的？？

Point 4: Head of Federation
The Head of State in North Borneo should not be eligible for election as Head of the Federation

简单来说，沙巴的Yang Dipertua Negeri不可以做阿公

Point 5: Name of Federation
“Malaysia” but not “Melayu Raya”

当年西马人要“melayu raya”...

Point 6: Immigration
Control over immigration into any part of Malaysia from outside should rest with the Central Government but entry into North Borneo should also require the approval of the State Government. The Federal Government should not be able to veto the entry of persons into North Borneo for State Government purposes except on strictly security grounds. North Borneo should have unfettered control over the movements of persons other than those in Federal Government employ from other parts of Malaysia into North Borneo.

联邦政府对沙巴的immigration没有权力，沙巴的immigration是属于沙巴的

Point 7: Right of Secession
There should be no right to secede from the Federation.

erm... 谁可以来解释？

Point 8: Borneanisation
Borneanisation of the public service should proceed as quickly as possible.

这点好像到现在还没完成... 就是所谓的“政府工”都让给沙巴人，但是现在的政府部门好像越来越多西马人酱的...

Point 9: British Officers
Every effort should be made to encourage British Officers to remain in the public service until their places can be taken by suitably qualified people from North Borneo.

n年前全部被赶走了...

Point 10: Citizenship
The recommendation in paragraph 148(k) of the Report of the Cobbold Commission should govern the citizenship rights in the Federation of North Borneo subject to the following amendments:
a) sub-paragraph (i) should not contain the proviso as to five years residence
b) in order to tie up with our law, sub-paragraph (ii)(a) should read “7 out of 10 years” instead of “8 out of 10 years”
c) sub-paragraph (iii) should not contain any restriction tied to the citizenship of parents – a person born in North Borneo after Malaysia must be federal citizen.

凡在16/9/1963后在沙巴出生的都是马来西亚人

Point 11: Tariffs and Finance
North Borneo should retain control of its own finance, development and tariff, and should have the right to work up its own taxation and to raise loans on its own credit.

沙巴的tax由沙巴自己管

Point 12: Special position of indigenous races
In principle the indigenous races of North Borneo should enjoy special rights analogous to those enjoyed by Malays in Malaya, but the present Malaya formula in this regard is not necessarily applicable in North Borneo.

Sabah Native也拥有西马的马来特权

Point 13: State Government
a) the Chief Minister should be elected by unofficial members of Legislative Council
b) There should be a proper Ministerial system in North Borneo.

州政府由州政府自己管，CM是unofficial members of Legislative Council（？）选出来的

Point 14: Transitional period
This should be seven years and during such period legislative power must be left with the State of North Borneo by the Constitution and not be merely delegated to the State Government by the Federal Government.

过了

Point 15: Education
The existing educational system of North Borneo should be maintained and for this reason it should be under state control.

沙巴的education system由沙巴自己的education department来管
这点证明了沙巴的education department在睡觉，全部让给联邦政府管了

Point 16: Constitutional safeguards
No amendment modification or withdrawal of any special safeguard granted to North Borneo should be made by the Central Government without the positive concurrence of the Government of the State of North Borneo
The power of amending the Constitution of the State of North Borneo should belong exclusively to the people in the state.

只有沙巴人有权力更改沙巴的Constitution。

Point 17: Representation in Federal Parliament
This should take account not only of the population of North Borneo but also of its size and potentialities and in any case should not be less than that of Singapore.

新加坡out了，要跟谁比好咧？

Point 18: Name of Head of State
Yang di-Pertua Negara.

现在被叫negeri了... 他们怕我们的YdPN被误大过阿公

Point 19: Name of State
Sabah.

Yes.

Point 20: Land, Forests, Local Government, etc.
The provisions in the Constitution of the Federation in respect of the powers of the National Land Council should not apply in North Borneo. Likewise, the National Council for Local Government should not apply in North Borneo

联邦政府没有权力管沙巴的土地，森林和州政府。

richad

这是一篇好贴，如果能够翻译成中文。肯定会让大家更了解历史。唯我发现沙巴论坛的贴友都是年轻一辈，几乎对历史，时事，政治不感兴趣。楼主的好意，大家心领了。

alexsuen

这是一篇好贴，如果能够翻译成中文。肯定会让大家更了解历史。唯我发现沙巴论坛的贴友都是年轻一辈，几乎对 ...
richad 发表于 26-5-2011 10:45 PM

你不是有在这个帖里回复过咩-->  http://cforum4.cari.com.my/viewt ... p;extra=&page=7
中文版在那个帖里大概被人重复贴过三次以上了

ralph_d

你不是有在这个帖里回复过咩-->  
中文版在那个帖里大概被人重复贴过三次以上了
alexsuen 发表于 26-5-2011 11:05 PM

原来之前有人post过了...

Rosken

Point 7: Right of Secession
    There should be no right to secede from the Federation.

没有权力退出联邦

elyron

msia的型成是base on msia contract １９６３

可是在１９６５，新国推出，contract照理是void。。

我们照理在６５自动独立。。。。


donald stephen成问过这问题，还想带上连合国，可是。。。

请看以下网站。。。。

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com ... -for-sabah-sarawak/

＂Stephens had a brief first stint as chief minister but was ousted by Kuala Lumpur after he wanted Sabah’s participation in Malaysia “reviewed” upon Singapore’s exit in 1965. Stephens held that the partnership – Sabah, Sarawak, Singapore, and Malaya – that governed the Federation of Malaysia ceased to exist after the city state’s exit. Stephens wanted out.（沙独立）

elyron

msia 合同的合法性。。。。。

请看以下网站。。。。

http://dayakbaru.com/weblog08/20 ... -the-borneo-agenda/




砂有２１条特权。。。。。不是１８条。。。。

请看以下网站。。。。

http://dayakbaru.com/weblog08/20 ... reaty-for-malaysia/

           

alexsuen

原来之前有人post过了...
ralph_d 发表于 27-5-2011 06:14 AM

下面这点你怎么看？

    Point 10: Citizenship
    The recommendation in paragraph 148(k) of the Report of the Cobbold Commission should govern the citizenship rights in the Federation of North Borneo subject to the following amendments:
    a) sub-paragraph (i) should not contain the proviso as to five years residence
    b) in order to tie up with our law, sub-paragraph (ii)(a) should read “7 out of 10 years” instead of “8 out of 10 years”
    c) sub-paragraph (iii) should not contain any restriction tied to the citizenship of parents – a person born in North Borneo after Malaysia must be federal citizen.

凡在16/9/1963后在沙巴出生的都是马来西亚人

ralph_d

下面这点你怎么看？
alexsuen 发表于 27-5-2011 12:18 PM

the Report of Cobbold Commission的内容我没看过...
所以不懂sub-paragraph(i)， sub-paragraph(ii)(a)和sub-paragraph(iii)在讲什么...

alexsuen

the Report of Cobbold Commission的内容我没看过...
所以不懂sub-paragraph(i)， sub-paragraph( ...
ralph_d 发表于 27-5-2011 01:55 PM

"should not contain any restriction tied to the citizenship of parents – a person born in North Borneo after Malaysia must be federal citizen."
但当中最重要的是这条
如果是这样的话，菲x的后代就是公民了

vvlovv

sabah 差不多变 sabah+Filipina=Fisapina

ralph_d

"should not contain any restriction tied to the citizenship of parents – a person born in North B ...
alexsuen 发表于 27-5-2011 05:45 PM

这一条应该是用在申请birth cert的时候用吧...

虽然在这边出生，但是没有申请birth cert的话，也做不到citizen

要不是这条有在，我现在还是中国人eh...

ivan92

msia的型成是base on msia contract １９６３

可是在１９６５，新国推出，contract照理是void。。

我 ...
elyron 发表于 27-5-2011 10:06 AM

   
通通都去grace park那边卖咸鸭蛋了
当时的整个cabinet都完蛋了

richad

我们州政府每年都要付给苏禄苏丹一笔所谓的"租金"，这是怎样的一个历史由来？

richad

Point 7: Right of Secession
    There should be no right to secede from the Federation.

没有权力 ...
Rosken 发表于 27-5-2011 09:10 AM

合股经营生意，两人共结连理，当其中一方感到被出卖(有证据)时，两人就可以在宪法下申请解散。

怎么可能会签出一个没有回头路的合约，我们的前辈真是太无知，太单纯了。

这条宪法有违反人权基法。

jueiri

想要通知一下， point 1 已经无效。因为沙巴州宪法已鉴定 "Islam is the religion of the state"， 都不知道是谁改的。大部分的条约都是有时间限制的。

有很多沙巴州的权力都被某些首席部长“卖”给了联邦政府。现在沙巴应该只剩下immigration power 而已。

新天地

msia的型成是base on msia contract １９６３

msia的型成是base on msia contract １９６３

可是在１９６５，新国推出，contract照理是void。。

我们照理在６５自动独立。。。。


donald stephen成问过这问题，还想带上连合国，可是。。。
elyron 发表于 27-5-2011 10:06 AM

就让杨德利来完成这个 [未完成的任务] 吧。。
毕竟杨是沙巴少数有 [胆量] 的 [政治人物]... 希望他一路平安！

新天地

想要通知一下， point 1 已经无效。因为沙巴州宪法已鉴定 "Islam is the religion of the state"， 都不知道是谁改的。大部分的条约都是有时间限制的。

有很多沙巴州的权力都被某些首席部长“卖”给了联邦政府。现在沙巴应该只剩下immigration power 而已。

jueiri 发表于 30-5-2011 04:48 PM

基本上，只要原本的[马来西亚合约]失效，之后所更改的其他衍生出来的立法也会一并统统失效.
目前要做的是，改朝换代，让新的本地政府来将事件带上联合国国际法庭，或欧盟人权组织，由他们为沙巴主持公道。

路途虽然遥远，可是大方向不能错，第一步必须是由本土政党赢的政权，不能由西马政党来。否则我们只会离目标越来越远！

ivan92

我们州政府每年都要付给苏禄苏丹一笔所谓的"租金"，这是怎样的一个历史由来？
richad 发表于 29-5-2011 09:59 PM

   
因为sulu sultan一直吵
还讲sabah是他的
后来政府好像是每年给一点钱来封他的嘴巴
从以前给到今天，价钱还是一样
亏死他

jueiri

回复 20# 新天地


    问题是联邦政府从来都不承认马来西亚合约. 再说, 马来西亚合约的合法性都不清楚. 带上国际法庭的言论, 可能会引来一个双六事件也很难说.